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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012
    Love both but Legrand for the win.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  1. My review of THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY for anyone who's interested:

    http://moviemusicuk.us/2012/12/17/the-h … ard-shore/

    Jon
    • CommentAuthorJosh B
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012

    My review of THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY for anyone who's interested:

    http://moviemusicuk.us/2012/12/17/the-h … ard-shore/

    Jon


    I don't completely agree with your analysis but you make a very eloquent case... and I'll admit that repeated listens have definitely clarified some of the score's subtleties.
  2. Taste and consensus are forever strangers. The 'Song of the Lonely Mountain' is one of the few things about the score I unreservedly like. wink
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
    • CommentAuthorJosh B
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012
    Taste and consensus are forever strangers. The 'Song of the Lonely Mountain' is one of the few things about the score I unreservedly like. wink


    I like the song too (although I didn't at first). I do agree with Jon that it feels out of place in context.
  3. It always sounded to me like a nice middleground between the ethereal vocal style of the LOTR films (which would have been a cliche if done again with another sweet songbird) and the masculine vocal sound Shore established for the dwarves. And the lyrics benefit from actually being Tolkien's in part, as opposed to the sweet ethereal nothingness that Boyens and Walsh tended to bring to the table (great to hear, but try not to think about what they're saying).

    Of course, if the song is a poor follow-up to [spoiler]a close-up of the dragon's eye[/spoiler], that's a bit of a different issue. But my playcount in itunes for the song far exceeds any of the score tracks, except 'Radagast the Brown'.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
  4. I am just about to reach "Song of the Lonely Mountain" and listen to it for the first time - up to now I have skipped all the songs on this score. I am not looking forward to the experience.
    The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn
  5. Now there's a good positive attitude to have.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012
    biggrin
    Kazoo
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      CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012 edited
    franz_conrad wrote
    Now there's a good positive attitude to have.

    I had a positive attitude when I first tried to listen to it but then I heard the vocals for the first time and was suddenly transported from Middle Earth to a late-night BBC Radio 2 folk retrospective. It was then that I skipped past the rest of the track.

    Having now listened to it all for the first time, my thoughts haven't really altered. The melody itself is okay but I won't be trying to get through it again.
    The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn
  6. FalkirkBairn wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    Now there's a good positive attitude to have.

    I had a positive attitude when I first tried to listen to it but then I heard the vocals for the first time and was suddenly transported from Middle Earth to a late-night BBC Radio 2 folk retrospective. It was then that I skipped past the rest of the track.


    Although Shore has invoked Wagner and the classical world as big roots for this enterprise, the folk/world music/New Age genres have always been poking their heads in at the edges. (All 3 of the other songs, for a start.) wink
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
  7. I get that. They have all had folky influences - and I like them all to different degrees. The scores are steeped in cultural links to the races of Middle Earth and so, to have some folky influence is to be expected.

    But this song - not the melody but rather the style of vocals, backing vocals and orchestration choices for 'the band' - just yanks me out of Tolkien's world. It just doesn't seem to fit well musically to my ears.
    The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012
    Generally tolkien (..), as years pass by i truly believe that Shore is overrated; with the exception of the very inspired LOTR scores.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012
    You are really looking for trouble, aren't you D? wink

    Why do you say that? Because he disappointed you the past few years? I though Cosmopolis was actually really good and quite different.
    Kazoo
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      CommentAuthorStavroula
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012
    Demetris wrote
    Generally tolkien (..), as years pass by i truly believe that Shore is overrated; with the exception of the very inspired LOTR scores.

    Well I haven't written for a long time but I couldn't pass this by!

    I never thought I'd see the day!Who are you and what have you done with D?!
    Whatever you gaze rests on,do not use your vision, but the eyes of your soul...She knows better...
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012
    Demetris wrote
    Generally tolkien (..), as years pass by i truly believe that Shore is overrated; with the exception of the very inspired LOTR scores.


    How much of Shore's music have you really explored?

    His back catalogue pre-LOTR is quite impressive especially his work for Cronenberg where he was the most creative. The Brood, Scanners, and Videodrome. Those three are unreal featuring some of the most creative film scoring I've ever heard! Then there's the operatic The Fly, the charming Big, the horrific The Silence of the Lambs, the passionate Philadelphia, the playful Ed Wood, the dark and disturbing Se7en, the truly messed up Crash, and the incredibly colorful and epic scores to The Cell and Looking For Richard. This, ALL written before LOTR. Quite an impressive line-up of scores, IMO.

    What's even more remarkable about Shore are the handful of scores he wrote WHILE he was working on LOTR. The Score (one of the great jazz scores), Spider, Gangs of New York and Panic Room.

    After LOTR he continued to write solid music... The Aviator, A History of Violence, The Departed, Eastern Promises,
    A Dangerous Method, Hugo, and Cosmopolis.

    So, as you see (and hear) I'm really having a very hard time classifying Howard Shore as overrated.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  8. Erik Woods wrote
    So, as you see (and hear) I'm really having a very hard time classifying Howard Shore as overrated.


    Indeed! And you haven't even mentioned four of my personal favorite pre-LOTR Shore scores, the longing and romantic M BUTTERFLY, the brooding BEFORE AND AFTER, the pretty and whimsical NOBODY'S FOOL, and the tragic, operatic DEAD RINGERS.

    Shore is NOT overrated at *all* IMHO.
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012
    So in order to get all the statements of the Misty Mountain theme I have to get both albums? crazy
    I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to!
  9. Scribe wrote
    So in order to get all the statements of the Misty Mountain theme I have to get both albums? crazy


    That's bugging me, too. Especially since I expect a "Complete Recording" release some day. So you could end up buying the same score three times. Rooks!! crazy
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
  10. And no one has mentioned THE YARDS or THE GAME.
    D will be back in shore's camp the next time he likes one of his scores. There's no question he's a great film composer, he just often makes the film work more often than he pleases the ear in the usual ways. It's often too murky for me for example.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012
    I don't think he's overrated either, but I usually appreciate his music on screen a lot more than I enjoy it on album. (Of course, there are many exceptions to this.)
  11. I think among score fans, Shore is actually *underrated*, because his music is rarely flashy.
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012
    Never liked Shore. LOTR is an exception the rule.

    I have spoken.
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012 edited
    Bregt wrote
    You are really looking for trouble, aren't you D? wink

    Why do you say that? Because he disappointed you the past few years? I though Cosmopolis was actually really good and quite different.


    Cosmopolis could be written by anyone with a knowledge in the ambient sound; others write as such, and even better, but nobody cares - or even dismiss them, 'cause they're not Shore. As for the rest of the body of his work, nothing even comes close to LOTR. Thus, this is why i say he's overrated, apart LOTR, that moment in his career.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012 edited
    Thor wrote
    Never liked Shore. LOTR is an exception the rule.

    I have spoken.


    And you can march you snarky ass right out the door! :whip: Get going!

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012
    Demetris wrote
    Bregt wrote
    You are really looking for trouble, aren't you D? wink

    Why do you say that? Because he disappointed you the past few years? I though Cosmopolis was actually really good and quite different.


    Cosmopolis could be written by anyone with a knowledge in the ambient sound; others write as such, and even better, but nobody cares - or even dismiss them, 'cause they're not Shore.


    Uh huh. rolleyes

    Demetris wrote
    As for the rest of the body of his work, nothing even comes close to LOTR. Thus, this is why i say he's overrated, apart LOTR, that moment in his career.


    Comes close to what exactly?

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012
    franz_conrad wrote
    And no one has mentioned THE YARDS or THE GAME.
    D will be back in shore's camp the next time he likes one of his scores. There's no question he's a great film composer, he just often makes the film work more often than he pleases the ear in the usual ways. It's often too murky for me for example.


    The Yards is wonderful too indeed, it's not a matter of me liking a score of his or not; and i DO like the HOBBIT; it's that's too much fuss about this composer, without much reason, imo. My favorite Shore moment is THE CELL, his most Goldenthal-esque score.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  12. I think that Jon and Erik summed up my feeling on Howard Shore. I first came across his work with THE FLY, which is both horrific and heartbreaking, and have been keen on his music ever since.

    I think that more generally he has been elevated to iconic status with his LORD OF THE RINGS music, but only for this music.

    He is one of those composers who has grafted hard for many years creating many solid (though difficult to listen to in some cases) works.

    In some ways, LORD OF THE RINGS is quite un-Shore-like to my ears having listened more to his early works over the years.

    Certainly, several of his more recent works have only had flashes of appeal to me. But his praise should not be assessed only on his past 3-4 years' work.
    The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012
    Demetris wrote
    it's that's too much fuss about this composer, without much reason, imo.


    I gave you a lot of reasons! Go back and listen to them again! IMO, I think you are ill-informed about what Shore can do as a film composer!

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2012
    Erik Woods wrote
    Demetris wrote
    Bregt wrote
    You are really looking for trouble, aren't you D? wink

    Why do you say that? Because he disappointed you the past few years? I though Cosmopolis was actually really good and quite different.


    Cosmopolis could be written by anyone with a knowledge in the ambient sound; others write as such, and even better, but nobody cares - or even dismiss them, 'cause they're not Shore.


    Uh huh. rolleyes

    Demetris wrote
    As for the rest of the body of his work, nothing even comes close to LOTR. Thus, this is why i say he's overrated, apart LOTR, that moment in his career.


    Comes close to what exactly?

    -Erik-


    Thematic structure and overall form of all the compositions; the musical vision as a whole; you hear glimpses of that in Hobbit , but you just know, it's never quite there.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.