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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007 edited
    Some say he’s overrated, and repeating himself.

    I say that he has the most amazing knowledge and handling of rhythm and complex musical metric patterns together with Michael Giacchino today as well as an enormous capability to color brass and manipulate hordes of percussion like no other. His rhythmic-based scores and themes are instantly addictive and direct, to the point, loud and full with vast amounts of energy whilst he also showcased recently that he has a great gift for very different kind of melodic, subtle and more off-beat, esoteric writing that has nothing to do with what’s called his ‘trademarked sound’ so far. See stuff like the deeply moving and lush I AM DINA or the awesome 3:10 to Yuma and The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada for examples of the latter.

    Beltrami, with mind-blowing stuff in his filmography already (Live free or die hard, I am dina, underworld: evolution, xxx2, hellboy, I,Robot and Terminator 3 just to name a few) is one of the hottest film composers in the younger generation and certainly one very bright name for the near future.

    This is the tread devoted to him.

    Official website:
    http://www.marcobeltrami.com/wocms.php
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
    Was well impressed with the sound samples on The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, so I've gone and ordered that score yesterday. Looking forward to hearing it in full!
    'I would have scored it with celesta and a soft pillow.' ~ Thor
    • CommentAuthorAnthony
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
    I agree with your first two statements Demetris.

    I also agree with your third and fourth. wink
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      CommentAuthorBobdH
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2007 edited
    For everybody well impressed with it and irritated it was released as an iTunes exclusive release... Did we already know Beltrami's excellent 3:10 To Yuma will soon also be released in proper CD format?

    The cool cover artwork:
    http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5 … SS500_.jpg

    AMAZON page:
    http://www.amazon.com/3-10-Yuma-Marco-B … amp;sr=1-1

    Great news, probably the first Beltrami I'd really like to buy! punk
    Procrastinate now. Don't put it off.
    • CommentAuthormsia2k75
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2007
    They can't be serious with that cover???????

    I mean it looks like a poor amateur job, struggling to use photoshop.
  1. Beltrami is a good composer, but Hellboy shows a quality above the good standard, Hellboy is simply sensational. Alas I'm talking about the full score and not the rather small short release of Varèse, because that one didn't even have the Hellboy hero theme, which is just sooooooooo good shocked

    Truly, everyone who liked Hellboy the original release or not at all will be blown away when they find out the simply killer stuff that is on the recording sessions promo. Truly, seek it out

    Mimic isn't bad either of course wink
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2007
    What about I,Robot? His best score to date imo, along with I AM DINA (the latter of a wholly different league though).
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  2. Christodoulides wrote
    What about I,Robot? His best score to date imo, along with I AM DINA (the latter of a wholly different league though).


    I Robot isn't bad, but is a bit too dark perhaps for my liking, not the agressive darkness of Hellboy which I totally like biggrin I am Dina is defintely not bad, I have the score and its something different from him, the sad fact was I liked the pieces by Jorane just a tad more than the score smile
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  3. Tommy_Boy wrote
    Beltrami is a good composer, but Hellboy shows a quality above the good standard, Hellboy is simply sensational. Alas I'm talking about the full score and not the rather small short release of Varèse, because that one didn't even have the Hellboy hero theme, which is just sooooooooo good shocked

    Truly, everyone who liked Hellboy the original release or not at all will be blown away when they find out the simply killer stuff that is on the recording sessions promo. Truly, seek it out

    Mimic isn't bad either of course wink

    I love the 2-CD version of Hellboy I have.

    The grand statement of the theme that closes out "B.P.R.D. Suite" raises goosebumps every time and is one of Beltrami's greatest achievements.
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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    The grand statement of the theme that closes out "B.P.R.D. Suite" raises goosebumps every time and is one of Beltrami's greatest achievements.


    Agree. One of his greatest themes and, as you say, its statement in this particular track is amazing; also its appearance in "Gut Grenade".
    And the love theme for Hellboy and Liz is one of his best themes IMO, absolutely beautiful and dramatic at the same time.
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
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      CommentAuthorSirCaledor
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007 edited
    For some obscure reason, I'm having troubles appreciating Beltrami's music. I mean, I have a fair amount of his scores in my collection and I listen to them quite often (Hellboy and I,Robot being among my favourites too). And, I agree that they are professionally composed and orchestrated...I like his music...it just doesn't inspire or even connect to me.
  4. Marselus wrote
    ...also its appearance in "Gut Grenade".

    Agree.

    SirCaledor wrote
    ...I like his music...it just doesn't excite me...

    Music is a funny old thing!! Doesn't even Underworld: Evolution do anything?!
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      CommentAuthorSirCaledor
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007 edited
    SirCaledor wrote
    ...I like his music...it just doesn't excite me...

    Music is a funny old thing!! Doesn't even Underworld: Evolution do anything?!



    I haven't heard that one yet. How does it differ from..say...Hellboy? If it doesn't then I fear the worst.
  5. It does sound like Hellboy a bit - it's a Beltrami score! But it's Hellboy on steroids!
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      CommentAuthorSirCaledor
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    It does sound like Hellboy a bit - it's a Beltrami score! But it's Hellboy on steroids!


    I'll give it a shot...I hope it's better than the film. wink
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
    Christodoulides wrote
    What about I,Robot? His best score to date imo, along with I AM DINA (the latter of a wholly different league though).


    Hellboy which is easily the best thing Beltrami has ever done. I thought it was going to be all gravy from here on out but man was I wrong. So far, his earily work has outshone his more recent efforts. Oh, and I'll give you I Am Dina. A rare dramatic treat from Beltrami.

    As of late though I'm not finding much interest in his work... 3:10 to Yuma aside.

    The Omen was never going to live up to Goldsmith's original and even though Beltrami took the film down a different route it was standard horror scoring... something he did much better in Scream. However, Altar Of Sacrifice was a dynamite action cue.

    Live Free Or Die hard was just plain awful with only one good action lick... "The F-35" The rest was sonic wallpaper and the same damn action cue over and over and over and over and over. Yawn! Again, he had to fill the shoes of another legendary composer and failed.

    Terminator 3. While I appreciate trying bring an orchestral voice to this series I still would have preferred another fine electronic effort from Brad Fiedel. While Fiedel's scores are horrible to listen to on CD at least in the film it was the right approach. Beltrami should have gone more down that route.

    -Erik-
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  6. SirCaledor wrote
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    It does sound like Hellboy a bit - it's a Beltrami score! But it's Hellboy on steroids!


    I'll give it a shot...I hope it's better than the film. wink

    The only reason to watch the movie is for the music.
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      CommentAuthorSirCaledor
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    SirCaledor wrote
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    It does sound like Hellboy a bit - it's a Beltrami score! But it's Hellboy on steroids!


    I'll give it a shot...I hope it's better than the film. wink

    The only reason to watch the movie is for the music.


    Spoken like a true soundtrack fan. smile
  7. SirCaledor wrote
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    SirCaledor wrote
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    It does sound like Hellboy a bit - it's a Beltrami score! But it's Hellboy on steroids!


    I'll give it a shot...I hope it's better than the film. wink

    The only reason to watch the movie is for the music.


    Spoken like a true soundtrack fan. smile

    I only bought the DVD to see how the music fitted in the film.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    It does sound like Hellboy a bit - it's a Beltrami score! But it's Hellboy on steroids!


    Couldn't agree more! I adore UNDERWORLD: EVOLUTION and it's an absolute must-have for Beltrami fans!
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  8. NP: Trunkin' - Underworld: Evolution - Marco Beltrami

    punk
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007 edited
    Well, Erik my friend, i disagree there.

    LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD is one hell of an action ride that terribly elevates the pure fun movie it accompanied but we've been over this again, i don't think i'll convince you unless you watch the movie damn loud, reset yourself and go play the score equally loud or something afterwards! wink

    The remake of the OMEN in 2006 and especially in the way they've done it (dull, to be mild) would sound terribly overloaded with as score like Goldsmith's. The modern-day brooding darkness of the score which has several heavily-dynamic dark passages in it is what the makers of the film seek for, imo, and as a standalone listen - when played loud and given the time, it has a lot of captivating and ominous thrills for the thriller film score lover to enjoy. I, for one, do; greatly.

    As for T3: Man are you sure you've given this the time and repeated listens to show you what it's got? 'Cause it has some massively complex and twisted orchestral action in it that's way beyond standard scoring imo; play "Blonde Behind The Wheel" for instance and play it loud! Man, that thing's a killer!
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  9. sorry, but I can't see how you on earth could equal Underworld with Hellboy, Hellboy is so much more colorful and exciting than Underworld which is just bleak and boring. I could listen to the 2 CD version of Hellboy anytime, but those 75 minutes is just way too long and I just lost moments while during it.

    It may have its moments but I can not compare Underworld with Hellboy.

    And SirCaledor, if you didn't like Hellboy the original score, the 2 CD version gives you so much more that it basically listens as a total whole new score, its a big recommendation. If you don't like that one I guess you simply don't like Beltrami's voice wink
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      CommentAuthorSirCaledor
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
    Tommy_Boy wrote
    sorry, but I can't see how you on earth could equal Underworld with Hellboy, Hellboy is so much more colorful and exciting than Underworld which is just bleak and boring. I could listen to the 2 CD version of Hellboy anytime, but those 75 minutes is just way too long and I just lost moments while during it.

    It may have its moments but I can not compare Underworld with Hellboy.

    And SirCaledor, if you didn't like Hellboy the original score, the 2 CD version gives you so much more that it basically listens as a total whole new score, its a big recommendation. If you don't like that one I guess you simply don't like Beltrami's voice wink


    Tommy, I always hesitate listening to complete scores (bootleg danger!) but I've read a couple of times here on the forums that it's a great listen. I'll give it a shot.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
    Bleak and boring? Seriously? Ok! Maybe you're listening to a different score? Maybe you have plugs in your ears or something? rolleyes shocked tongue

    Go now, please,program everything else out and play "Ol' Timey Music", "Morgue Medallion", "Trunkin'", "Beware of Dog", "Patricide", "Hell - Ride" and "William's Castle" - LOUD - and tell me, honestly, if "bleak" and "boring" are truly listed in the resulting emotions.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007 edited
    Christodoulides wrote
    Well, Erik my friend, i disagree there.

    LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD is one hell of an action ride that terribly elevates the pure fun movie it accompanied but we've been over this again, i don't think i'll convince you unless you watch the movie damn loud, reset yourself and go play the score equally loud or something afterwards! wink


    I saw the film and the sound mix was terrible. But from what I did hear the score did absolutely NOTHING for me... except for that one track I mentioned before. It was awful. A lazy effort. Those tinckering synths, the oh-hum orchestral music... it was what itwas... sonic wallpaper that did NOTHING to enhance the film. Boy, did I ever miss Michael Kamen on this film. Beltrami was the wrong, WRONG choice. And the album is painfully boring. No variation, no emotion, nothing! It's just... THERE... and it doesn't do ANYTHING interesting at all. A snoozer!!!

    Christodoulides wrote
    The remake of the OMEN in 2006 and especially in the way they've done it (dull, to be mild) would sound terribly overloaded with as score like Goldsmith's.


    Demetris, I respect you, we are friends, but I hate comments like that. It's like saying Golden Age scoring wouldn't work in Hollywood today. Sure it would, but the MTV generation and video music buffoons who run the studios now won't allow it. So, when you say something like the original The Omen wouldn't work in an Omen film... I honestly think that's a load of bull crap. The second best friggin' cue on the album is the last track... the homage to Goldsmith's score. If the score had anything in it like that last track then I would be applauding Beltrami for his effort. Like I said, Beltrami's score, no matter how dark, brooding or dynamic you think it is can't stand up against Goldsmith original or his The Final Conflict! That stuff is light years ahead of Beltrami's work and far more affective!

    Christodoulides wrote
    As for T3: Man are you sure you've given this the time and repeated listens to show you what it's got? 'Cause it has some massively complex and twisted orchestral action in it that's way beyond standard scoring imo; play "Blonde Behind The Wheel" for instance and play it loud! Man, that thing's a killer!


    Good music yes... right score for the film, no. Like I said, I'll take Feidel's action music from the Psychiatric Hospital Escape over anything Beltrami wrote for T3. Like I said, T3 might make for a far more pleasing listen experience, Feidal's work served the film much more. Those droning chords for the T-1000 are haunting and terrifying. I don't think Beltrami's accomplished any of that in his score.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  10. Christodoulides wrote
    Bleak and boring? Seriously? Ok! Maybe you're listening to a different score? Maybe you have plugs in your ears or something? rolleyes shocked tongue

    Go now, please,program everything else out and play "Ol' Timey Music", "Morgue Medallion", "Trunkin'", "Beware of Dog", "Patricide", "Hell - Ride" and "William's Castle" - LOUD - and tell me, honestly, if "bleak" and "boring" are truly listed in the resulting emotions.


    That's the problem, those tracks might indeed sound great and exciting, but if you have to take everything away and listen to only those, your making of a score a compilation of highlights and then you alter the listening experience. I must say, I listened to it a long time ago, I don't remember a thing of it and I might have missed those moments, but I'm someone who knows when it clicks right away or not (most of the time wink ) and nothing sparkled my attention when hearing it

    Or I must have had a really afwul day biggrin

    If I find it, I'll listen to it again
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007 edited
    Erik,

    T3 issue: stuck in the past a bit? wink No matter how successful the Feidel's Terminator might be, i still think that Beltrami's effort's far better on every single level and i'd doubt you actually let yourself listen to the new score for what it is, rather than constantly comparing it to the original, even without actually realizing it. It's logical, i'd have probably done that if i came from your generation of listeners and / or had the exact same musical tastes as yours, thus i can perfectly see how you might have connected the whole Terminator thing to the Feidel sound overall. That's perfectly normal and expected too since that came first but - i guess this is where tastes and the afore-mentioned differences between us two come in and I know we won’t agree- i would never take it over the complex dark beast that is Beltrami's T3.

    As for THE OMEN, you completely misunderstood me. You know me better than that mate to actually assume I was saying Beltrami’s OMEN Is better than Goldsmith’s!?

    I'd never say that nor that Goldsmith's original score for OMEN wouldn't work in Hollywood today. I was talking about the remade film in particular, like you're talking about Terminator, the film above. Have you seen THE OMEN, the remake? I too agree with you about the MTV generation of film-makers / producers running a lot of Hollywood's studios today and it sucks but that's the kind of the film THE OMEN (remake) is indeed. It's not even as half as frightening or intense as the original OMEN film when it came out (according to the time the respective films were released of course). It's friggin' dull, nothing happens for the largest of its duration. Where would you fit the otherwise spectacular inferno that is Goldsmith's original over this? Would the dumb filmmakers let you do that?

    I would be crazy to diminish the value of the Goldsmith original nor am i comparing the two (this with Beltrami's) as the former is tremendously greater and we're not even discussing this; but i really think Beltrami did his best with what he had to both meet the filmmakers' demands and also create a fresh, brooding and modern dark score.

    I really hate it when a remake or a sequel to an old film's being done today and everyone barks about how not faithful to the original the new score is; well what did you expect? What’s the value of yet another clone? It's rarely gonna happen; I know you might bring up Tyler’s AVP2 as an example were it did happen (IF it finally DID happen, we’ll have to listen to the full CD to judge that) but that’s just one in a dozen and maybe the filmmakers of AVP2 were actually smart enough to actually LET Tyler do that; In the majority of the relevant remakes / sequels this is not the case however and i say get the new stuff for what it is and what it might have to offer to us today and if you want the glory of the past there's always the original there waiting for you. No matter how bad it might sound to some and how vividly some might not like this, the sound of the Golden Age will probably never return in film music again; at least not in the form we've been used to.

    kiss wave
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
    Tommy_Boy wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    Bleak and boring? Seriously? Ok! Maybe you're listening to a different score? Maybe you have plugs in your ears or something? rolleyes shocked tongue

    Go now, please,program everything else out and play "Ol' Timey Music", "Morgue Medallion", "Trunkin'", "Beware of Dog", "Patricide", "Hell - Ride" and "William's Castle" - LOUD - and tell me, honestly, if "bleak" and "boring" are truly listed in the resulting emotions.


    That's the problem, those tracks might indeed sound great and exciting, but if you have to take everything away and listen to only those, your making of a score a compilation of highlights and then you alter the listening experience. I must say, I listened to it a long time ago, I don't remember a thing of it and I might have missed those moments, but I'm someone who knows when it clicks right away or not (most of the time wink ) and nothing sparkled my attention when hearing it

    Or I must have had a really afwul day biggrin

    If I find it, I'll listen to it again


    Well, those are not the only interesting pieces for sure; but they're the ones that would convince you otherwise if you had to change your opinion on it wink Maybe re-listening and under different circumstances would indeed help eventually! wave
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  11. Well, those are not the only interesting pieces for sure; but they're the ones that would convince you otherwise if you had to change your opinion on it wink Maybe re-listening and under different circumstances would indeed help eventually! wave


    You know, I first didn't care much for Reign of Fire (Shearmur), I accepted it but it never clicked. Years later I listened to it again and my god I was simply blown away by it. Who knows this score can do the same? If I just could hear it again sad
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