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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeFeb 17th 2009 edited
    Inspired by moonie's thread about "Star-Spangled Banner", I thought we'd do a thread on national anthems (I felt it was kinda rude to post my own anthem in a thread about another country's). It's silly to ask for favourites, perhaps, since your own country's national anthem will most likely win in most cases, but it's also a question of HOW it is performed.

    After having read moonie's post, I went over to youtube to search for Norway's national anthem, and found this version, which almost choked me up:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUtiIMZIVOU

    There's something about those harmonies, and the simplicity of just the a cappella, choral version that is immensely powerful, whatever the images are (in this case they happened to be pretty powerful and nationalistic, too, but that's another story...it's the annual New Year's TV montage thingie).

    Is it at all possible to judge national anthems according to their musical value alone?
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeFeb 17th 2009
    no
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeFeb 17th 2009
    sdtom wrote
    no


    OK!

    I guess that's settled, then! smile
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeFeb 17th 2009
    Seriously, it is really special to each person who lives in that particular country. Canada is special to Erik etc. This country, especially this debaucle called Super Bowl, the ultimate advertising medium, has taken the Star Spangled Banner to heights I'd never imagine.
    Thomas smile
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeFeb 17th 2009
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeFeb 17th 2009
    Thor wrote
    Is it at all possible to judge national anthems according to their musical value alone?


    Why not?
    EVEN when your own anthem would mean something to you in the sense of national pride or emotional attachment, you could rate every other anthem in the world on the same scale, as they're basically only pices of music if they have no additional value to you.

    I always find it interesting to listen to other anthems, and gauge the emotional content. So many little African dictatorships opening up with dime-a-dozen marches. The absolutely martial tones of France. The very odd and almost unsingable American anthem. Makes for an intereseting foray into a nation's "hive mind" (so to speak).
    “The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision.” ~ Lynn Lavner
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeFeb 17th 2009
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeFeb 17th 2009
    Go talk to Koko. He needs it more.
    “The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision.” ~ Lynn Lavner
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    I think all anthems strike a note with their country members
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    sdtom wrote
    I think all anthems strike a note with their country members


    Ours isn't very popular with Britons. I quite like it but would rather have something more stirring. Timmer mentioned Jerusalem in the other thread about this, and indeed that would be wonderful.

    And did those feet...
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009 edited
    Our previous prime minister hummed the anthem of France when he was asked to hum our anthem (Belgium, not Flanders). I think that says enough (I don't know it very well either, perhaps the first three sentences?)
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    Southall wrote
    sdtom wrote
    I think all anthems strike a note with their country members


    Ours isn't very popular with Britons. I quite like it but would rather have something more stirring. Timmer mentioned Jerusalem in the other thread about this, and indeed that would be wonderful.


    Bah!
    Land Of Hope And Glory all the way!
    Jerusalem hasn't been part of the Empire since 1946.

    Bregt wrote
    Our previous prime minister hummed the anthem of France when he was asked to hum our anthem (Belgium, not Flanders).


    Can't honestly say I blame him.
    The Marseillaise is about 1138% more stirring than the Brabançonne.

    (Quite a bit more bloodthirsty too...)

    That said, I would champion its change to Delerue's Hymne Á La Liberté in a heartbeat.
    In fact, I would champion that as anthem for the world .
    “The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision.” ~ Lynn Lavner
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    Martijn wrote
    Southall wrote
    sdtom wrote
    I think all anthems strike a note with their country members


    Ours isn't very popular with Britons. I quite like it but would rather have something more stirring. Timmer mentioned Jerusalem in the other thread about this, and indeed that would be wonderful.


    Bah!
    Land Of Hope And Glory all the way!
    Jerusalem hasn't been part of the Empire since 1946.


    Britain hasn't exactly been a land of hope and glory of late, either.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    Wait 'till you hear the Greek power anthem wink
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    Elgar's Pomp And Circumstances March No.4 is Britain's real national anthem anyway.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    No. 4?
    Why no. 4? confused
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    I always remember that one from my childhood more than the others. More a personal national anthem. wink
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009 edited
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    God, it doesn't sound half like a Russian-Orthodox hymn. shocked

    I'm in a mood to put on Hunt For Red October now. smile
    “The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision.” ~ Lynn Lavner
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    Well, Poledouris has Greek roots, didn't he? wink His greek name was Βασίλης Πολεδούρης.

    It's an ode to Freedom btw.
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    It is very likely that none of the anthems will ever be changed in our lifetime.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    sdtom wrote
    It is very likely that none of the anthems will ever be changed in our lifetime.


    We've seen the USSR one change as well the German one.

    Belgium may soon follow. wink
    “The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision.” ~ Lynn Lavner
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    Can you see America changing?
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    Steven wrote
    Elgar's Pomp And Circumstances March No.4 is Britain's real national anthem anyway.



    It would without doubt blow ALL other National Anthems away....absolutely no doubt about it!!

    I remember hearing that Elgar stipulated that it should NEVER be the National Anthem? Anyone know more info on that???

    I would still personally prefer JERUSALEM though, and still one of THE most beautiful melodies.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009 edited
    sdtom wrote
    Can you see America changing?


    Oh yes!
    Even as we speak, the majority of Americans (including members of congress) are convinced that "God Bless America" is the official AMerican anthem, and I can see it becoming so within our lifetime (if only because it's actually easier to sing than The Star Spangled Banner ... I happen to think it's a horrid and insepid anthem myself, but that's a matter of taste. I'd vote for Newman's How The West Was Won, but hey, that's just me. wink)
    “The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision.” ~ Lynn Lavner
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    Timmer wrote
    Steven wrote
    Elgar's Pomp And Circumstances March No.4 is Britain's real national anthem anyway.

    I remember hearing that Elgar stipulated that it should NEVER be the National Anthem? Anyone know more info on that???

    I think that was Land Of Hope And Glory (March no. 1)?
    Can't find any corroboration though.
    “The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision.” ~ Lynn Lavner
  27. Yes, it indeed was March 1
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    Martijn wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Steven wrote
    Elgar's Pomp And Circumstances March No.4 is Britain's real national anthem anyway.

    I remember hearing that Elgar stipulated that it should NEVER be the National Anthem? Anyone know more info on that???

    I think that was Land Of Hope And Glory (March no. 1)?
    Can't find any corroboration though.


    It is!

    Did Steven mean this one? #4 is very good too.

    I'm starting to doubt my Elgar statement, I can't find anything on the web so far that backs me up!?
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      CommentAuthorBhelPuri
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
    India's national anthem "Jana Gana Mana" got a lavish treatment for the 50th anniversary of independence-

    Instrumental version-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufHI2W9KTPA

    The vocal version-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3TtgYuaVFk

    There's a cd release of various Indian classical (vocal and instrumental) music legends performing the anthem-
    http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/p … lbum.1052/
  30. I entirely agree that JERUSALEM should the the British anthem. Much more stirring than the dirge we share with Liechtenstein.
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