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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeNov 3rd 2017
    lp wrote
    I hate the fact that Elfman got the okay to use the Superman theme (even though Hans Zimmer came up with a very appropriate version) as well as his own Batman theme. Even though none of those movies have any continuity between them. Heck, even the animated series and movies didn't even reference those. And then his Hero theme is completely underwhelming and anonymous. But then, to be honest, I've not been impressed with anything he's done recently. .


    Really? Have you checked out some of his non-blockbuster scores?
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2017
  1. Having seen the movie now, all I can say is that I really missed Zimmer.

    There were multiple opportunities when his Man Of Steel stuff would have rocked the boat completely. The only time one of MoS themes appears, it comes out of nowhere and, while appropriate, feels slightly out of place and wild compared to what Elfman does before.

    But then, when Williams' Superman theme appears, it's at the worst possible moment. Completely jarring, wasting the effect it could have had if used later, and then, when it would have been nice to have it - gone. So that's a complete waste.

    The return of his Batman theme works just fine, probably because BvS didn't really manage to get its own theme up and running well enough, but I'm missing a truly proud and great statement of it.

    The appearance of the WW battle theme rocked, no question, but would it have been so difficult to include Gregson-Williams' stuff here and there? No, of course not.

    The rest of the action music is so forgettable, it doesn't even hurt.

    And then you have the Justice League theme. Which... I completely forgot and couldn't hum it if they were giving me money for it. Given that themes are the only thing I really liked about Elfman ever, this is so sad.

    All of this results in some of the most disappointing superhero work... ever. Not because it's all bullshit. It's because it showed us the potential of what it could have been, and then nothing happens.

    The movie itself, however, is something I haven't yet decided about. It's certainly something. I just don't know how to place it.
  2. My review of JUSTICE LEAGUE, for anyone who's interested. You might want to get comfortable for this one, because it's quite long!

    https://moviemusicuk.us/2017/11/21/just … ny-elfman/

    Jon
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      CommentAuthorCaliburn
    • CommentTimeDec 13th 2017
    I have written a review of Justice League if anyone is curious about my opinion

    https://soundtrackworld.com/2017/12/jus … nny-elfman

    It is shorter than Jon's :P
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      CommentAuthorAidabaida
    • CommentTimeDec 13th 2017
    Caliburn wrote
    I have written a review of Justice League if anyone is curious about my opinion

    https://soundtrackworld.com/2017/12/jus … nny-elfman

    It is shorter than Jon's :P


    Nice review; I didn't like this score until I realized I couldn't stop humming/thumping the Hero theme rhythm.
    Bach's music is heartless and robotic.
  3. That is one catchy rhythm, isn't it? Shades of the brawny Goldsmith/Poledouris mixed meter approach, which is always something to appreciate in a 2000s score. I love how meaty those low strings sound right at the beginning of "Hero's Theme" as well.
  4. My review of FIFTY SHADES FREED, for anyone who's interested:

    https://moviemusicuk.us/2018/02/23/fift … ny-elfman/

    Jon
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      CommentAuthorMarc
    • CommentTimeSep 21st 2018
    Here's my French Horn & Trumpet cover of a fantastic cue from Epic smile

    https://youtu.be/-RQdMUCYVcI
  5. My review of THE GRINCH, for anyone who's interested:

    https://moviemusicuk.us/2018/12/04/the- … ny-elfman/

    Jon
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2018
    Jon Broxton wrote
    My review of THE GRINCH, for anyone who's interested:

    https://moviemusicuk.us/2018/12/04/the- … ny-elfman/

    Jon


    Per your last sentence: I'm an Elfman fan, and I didn't care for this at all. Good to see that we're mostly in agreement here for once, although I'm even more negative than you.
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorCaliburn
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2019
    For who is interested in my thoughts. I have reviewed DUMBO.

    https://soundtrackworld.com/2019/04/dumbo-danny-elfman/
  6. My review of DUMBO, for anyone who's interested:

    https://moviemusicuk.us/2019/04/23/dumbo-danny-elfman/

    Jon
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeDec 2nd 2020
    My review/analysis of EDWARD SCISSORHANDS, 30 years old this Sunday:

    http://celluloidtunes.no/edward-scissor … ny-elfman/
    I am extremely serious.
  7. Another favorites list for y'all! This list was super fun and really surprised me actually! Apparently, I don’t love Elfman too quirky or too sweet, but I respect his style absolutely! So these are my Top 5 Favorite Danny Elfman scores.

    1) Edward Scissorhands
    Certainly no surprise here! Can we all agree that this is Elfman’s greatest score ever? JK But really, it’s all of the best things he is as a composer, elegant, funny, dramatic, creepy, intense, and eccentric. Just an incredible score to a film I’ve never even seen!

    2) Spider-man
    I love the percussion, and how he kind if “created” the spidy-sound. A little creepy-crawly, a little epically heroic. The undulating strings really make you feel like you’re flying through the air. Just pure movie music magic. James Horner followed wonderfully in Elfman's footsteps with his stellar score to The Amazing Spider-Man that implemented similar techniques.

    3) Good Will Hunting
    Something about this score, I just really love. It’s tame, somewhat on the simple side and not too dynamic, but that’s partly why I love it - it’s just comforting and super enjoyable. The guitar mixed with choral sweetness, against the somewhat gritty backdrop of the city of Boston and the “angry-kid” Will are all such interesting choices. I don’t even remember how it’s used in the actual film, but I really love it on the album and am drawn back to it over and over again.

    4) Red Dragon
    This might come as a surprise, but when I thought about my favorite Elfman scores off the top of my head, this one immediately came to mind. The theme is so beautiful. Is it on a glockenspiel sometimes? I have no idea which instrument, but it’s gorgeous. I love the woodwinds, the atmosphere that’s created, and the strings. It’s the “moody beautiful” that Elfman is so great at!

    5) Alice in Wonderland
    This is a newer Danny Elfman purchase for me (last year). Like I said earlier, I don’t typically like his more quirky stuff. And upon first listen, I though the vocal song/theme was a bit repetitive, but can you say catchy? Man! Ever since, I get it stuck in my head constantly, so I revisit this score more frequently than I ever thought I would, and now I really love it. I think it’s even more delightful now that I’ve heard it many more times, and don’t mind the repetitiveness at all!

    The others in my collection are:

    Batman
    Beetlejuice
    Big Fish
    Black Beauty
    Charlie & The Chocolate Factory
    Corpse Bride
    Dick Tracy
    Dolores Claiborne
    The Family Man
    Goosebumps
    Hulk
    Instinct
    Meet The Robinsons
    Men In Black
    Mission: Impossible
    Planet of the Apes
    Proof of Life
    Sleepy Hollow
    Sommersby

    What are some others that I don't have, that I should hear?! I'd love your suggestions! biggrin
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2021 edited
    Yikes -- you just ventured into what I consider my second-favourite composer of all time (after Williams), and from whom I own basically everything he's done. Although these days, my Elfman enthusiasm isn't what it used to - largely due to a lot of the lacklustre blockbuster scores he's written in the last decade. I listen to, say, more Zimmer these days than Elfman, for example.

    From your list, you're obviously missing what I consider his greatest work of all time - THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS. But I realize it's not for everyone, and especially not if you dislike his "quirkier" side.

    My top 5 would maybe look like this:

    1. THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS (gorgeous and Kurt Weill-ian)
    2. Edward Scissorhands (I actually analyzed this score in my university thesis)
    3. Midnight Run (wonderful and bluesy)
    4. Wisdom (unique and largely electronic)
    5. Sommersby (broad and pastoral)

    Or something.

    Going by your parameters "I don’t love Elfman too quirky or too sweet", and picking things you don't already own, I would also seek out BATMAN RETURNS, A SIMPLE PLAN, STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE, RESTLESS, PROMISED LAND, THE UNKNOWN KNOWN, TULIP FEVER, PURE LUCK, A CIVIL ACTION, CHARLOTTE'S WEB.

    That's a start that should keep you busy for a while. smile
    I am extremely serious.
  8. Haha, awesome, thanks for the awesome list of new scores to explore! I don't not like all his quirky music, just found out that they're not my favorites when I had to narrow it down. Some if it can sound a bit obnoxious and jarring to me. Like swashbuckling style music too...i.e. Cutthroat Island, and even Waterworld -- are such excellent and amazing scores but I just can't handle too much of them - after awhile the style just gets on my nerves. I've never heard The Nightmare Before Christmas (or seen the movie) so I'll definitely have to check that one out first if that's your favorite. Jotted down the others, this will be fun!
  9. I definitely don't like Elfman too quirky. Or when he writes songs, so The Nightmare Before Christmas would certainly be my own nightmare if I had to sit through that. I remember trying to go through the album trying to find score-only tracks but gave up.

    I suppose my own Top 5 Danny Elfman scores would be pretty standard fare:

    1. Red Dragon (love those aggressive strings passages and the ominous feel to the score)
    2. Batman (a great dark superhero score with some fantastic thematic material. That ending is music perfection)
    3. Planet of the Apes (I love rhythmic percussion in a score and there's some great bits of that here)
    4. Sleepy Hollow (a great gothic film with a great gothic score. The score captures the feel of the movie perfectly)
    5. Spider-Man (another great take on a superhero movie)

    I would agree with Thor on a couple of titles to track down: Batman Returns and Standard Operating Procedure. I would also add Mars Attacks!.
    The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn
  10. How fun that we think alike in regards to Elfman, Alan! Since I also had Red Dragon and Spider-Man in my top 5. I still need to checkout Batman Returns and the other recommendations. Maybe when I work on drawing his sticker, I'll have a cram sesh with what's left of my Qobuz subscription. wink
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      CommentAuthorLSH
    • CommentTimeApr 7th 2021
    While I love a lot of his music, he's curiously not anywhere near my most listened-to composers. I guess I need to be in the mood for him. My top five (in no particular order) would be:

    BIG FISH
    SOMMERSBY
    BLACK BEAUTY
    RED DRAGON
    BATMAN
  11. He is not one of my most listened to composers either.
    The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn
  12. LSH wrote

    BIG FISH
    SOMMERSBY
    BLACK BEAUTY
    RED DRAGON
    BATMAN


    Excellent choices! Sommersby and Black Beauty are especially gorgeous!!