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- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008 edited
Fateless
I know it's hard to make a film about the Holocaust which isn't moving, but still. This film is moving. It focuses much more on an individual than most films about the subject - and the conclusion is pretty shocking, as the final narration sees the main character almost pining for life back in Buchenwald after realising that life back home is not going to be what he dreamed of.
The score is sensational. It is so daring in the way that as the film becomes more and more harrowing, the music becomes more and more beautiful - but one should expect nothing less than daring from probably the most daring film composer there's ever been. Best-scored film I've seen in a very long time. -
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
SHE
The Dvd finally arrived and it has both the original B&W as well as the color version Harryhausen did a couple of years ago.
Thomaslisten to more classical music! -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
sdtom wrote
SHE
The Dvd finally arrived and it has both the original B&W as well as the color version Harryhausen did a couple of years ago.
Thomas
Harryhausen????
You mean Hammer films surely Tom?On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
Southall wrote
Fateless
I know it's hard to make a film about the Holocaust which isn't moving, but still. This film is moving. It focuses much more on an individual than most films about the subject - and the conclusion is pretty shocking, as the final narration sees the main character almost pining for life back in Birkenau after realising that life back home is not going to be what he dreamed of.
The score is sensational. It is so daring in the way that as the film becomes more and more harrowing, the music becomes more and more beautiful - but one should expect nothing less than daring from probably the most daring film composer there's ever been. Best-scored film I've seen in a very long time.
James, you've seriously got my interest in this film and I HAVE to see it!
Love the score on CDOn Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
Timmer wrote
Southall wrote
Fateless
I know it's hard to make a film about the Holocaust which isn't moving, but still. This film is moving. It focuses much more on an individual than most films about the subject - and the conclusion is pretty shocking, as the final narration sees the main character almost pining for life back in Birkenau after realising that life back home is not going to be what he dreamed of.
The score is sensational. It is so daring in the way that as the film becomes more and more harrowing, the music becomes more and more beautiful - but one should expect nothing less than daring from probably the most daring film composer there's ever been. Best-scored film I've seen in a very long time.
James, you've seriously got my interest in this film and I HAVE to see it!
Love the score on CD
Same here!I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
Nope Timmer! My brain has gotten distracted but I'm talking about the 1935 original version that RKO put out with the score from Max Steiner. Two years ago Harryhausen and his company colorized the version because Cooper the original producer wanted to shoot it in color but couldn't because of budget cuts.
Thomaslisten to more classical music! -
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
Scribe wrote
Timmer wrote
Southall wrote
Fateless
I know it's hard to make a film about the Holocaust which isn't moving, but still. This film is moving. It focuses much more on an individual than most films about the subject - and the conclusion is pretty shocking, as the final narration sees the main character almost pining for life back in Birkenau after realising that life back home is not going to be what he dreamed of.
The score is sensational. It is so daring in the way that as the film becomes more and more harrowing, the music becomes more and more beautiful - but one should expect nothing less than daring from probably the most daring film composer there's ever been. Best-scored film I've seen in a very long time.
James, you've seriously got my interest in this film and I HAVE to see it!
Love the score on CD
Same here!
There's an cue featuring Lisa Gerrard in the middle of the film which plays through several scenes of a montage which imposes such incredible emotion through scenes that - while harrowing - didn't necessary pull that emotion from an audience. A brilliant scoring choice to play a single cue through several scenes.A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
That is such a brilliant score; the whole 'late' Morricone is, to my ears.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
sdtom wrote
Nope Timmer! My brain has gotten distracted but I'm talking about the 1935 original version that RKO put out with the score from Max Steiner. Two years ago Harryhausen and his company colorized the version because Cooper the original producer wanted to shoot it in color but couldn't because of budget cuts.
Thomas
Thanks Tom, I didn't know that.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
Anthony wrote
Steven wrote
Yes and no. I thought some parts worked very well, especially the music/sound effects for the Joker. But much of the film was above Zimmer in my opinion, he just wasn't able to pull it off as well as the film deserved. Would have been better if JNH was the only composer perhaps? I still think Goldenthal would have been the perfect choice for this film.
Tbh, now I've heard the score, I can't think of anyone but Zimmer and JNH who I would want to score it.
Goldenthal would be my number one choice. He has a genius ability to weave his scores within the story and characters that Zimmer could only dream of. A film of this quality needed a score of equal quality, and Goldenthal would have been the man IMO. -
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008 edited
"Goldenthal would be my number one choice. He has a genius ability to weave his scores within the story and characters that Zimmer could only dream of"
I'd change this to:
"Goldenthal would be my number one choice. He has a genius ability to weave his scores within the story and characters that most could only dream of"
Seriously.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
I would have settled for ANYONE able to weave an actual theme.
GodDAMN what a missed opportunity.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
True that. I genuinely believe Goldenthal has a touch of genius about him. -
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
Martijn wrote
I would have settled for ANYONE able to weave an actual theme.
GodDAMN what a missed opportunity.
To be honest, I wasn't too bothered about the themes (I definitely think the Joker's music worked extremely well), I just wanted a more intelligent score to match the intelligent script. It did work, but it could and should have been better and after seeing the film. I now understand what all the fuss is about! -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
Martijn wrote
I would have settled for ANYONE able to weave an actual theme.
GodDAMN what a missed opportunity.
I can only comment as far as the first film goes but YES, I agree with you 110%.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
It holds even more true for the second film, I'm sad to say.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
The second film makes the first one looks like kids play. I'm in awe of Nolan's talent. -
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
Welllll, he draws from a lot of the comic classic reboots, especially Frank Miller and the excellent team of Jeph Loeb (the commissioner was actually even named for him! ) and Tim Sale.
But Nolan certainly made an excellent translation to the silver screen.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
Martijn wrote
Welllll, he draws from a lot of the comic classic reboots, especially Frank Miller and the excellent team of Jeph Loeb (the commissioner was actually even named for him! ) and Tim Sale.
But Nolan certainly made an excellent translation to the silver screen.
Respect for the core subject matter bears good fruit in this case.
I wonder how THE WATCHMEN will turn out?On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
THE DARK KNIGHT to me, is possibly the best comic adaptation i've ever seen on the big screen.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
A bold statement Demetris!
Thomaslisten to more classical music! -
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
Yeah, movie-wise (script, photography, directing, editing and pace, overall tone and atmosphere) and actinh-wise. I stand by itLove Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
As I stated I found it entertaining, a diversion from the real world for a time.
Thomaslisten to more classical music! -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
Christodoulides wrote
Yeah, movie-wise (script, photography, directing, editing and pace, overall tone and atmosphere) and actinh-wise. I stand by it
Depends on how much you know your comics?
No offence D but Martijn really knows his stuff.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeSep 13th 2008
Christodoulides wrote
THE DARK KNIGHT to me, is possibly the best comic adaptation i've ever seen on the big screen.
But is the competition worth talking about? (Unless we're counting comics like PERSEPOLIS.)A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeSep 14th 2008
Depends. Burton's Batman wasn't bad, really, was it? I loved it. Nolan is probably the first to do something MORE than a simple mindless blockbuster though.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentTimeSep 14th 2008
I don't generally like comic book films but I watched Burton's Batman a few weeks ago and it's a pity it is probably destined to be considered the poor relation from now on. It's an excellent film, aided by a score by a composer who knew how to score such a film. -
- CommentTimeSep 14th 2008
The Happening
I have to be one of the few people who really like it.
I consider a much more "human" than his previous films. The characters are much more natural and it makes the history services the characters and not viceversa.
I love the Village and The happening more than his overrated films like Signs or The Unbreakable. ( I can't name the other film because my lips can't pronunce such silly things like that)
JNH score is really good. -
- CommentTimeSep 14th 2008
I like "The Happening" too and I agree with you about the characters. Many criticize the way Shyamalan directs his actors, making them flawed and unattractive, like the whiny-ness of Wahlberg's character in this film, the timid awkwardness of Zooey's character, and the quirkyness of the supporting cast...I think it makes the film seem more believable and human. In most movies everybody talks with perfect grammar, eloquently and with good dictation...its refreshing to see an occasional film where the characters seem like people you encounter in everyday life.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeSep 14th 2008
Southall wrote
I don't generally like comic book films but I watched Burton's Batman a few weeks ago and it's a pity it is probably destined to be considered the poor relation from now on. It's an excellent film, aided by a score by a composer who knew how to score such a film.
First, Elfman admitted that he had a lot of problems with scoring Batman. He was scared of the film's scope and the Joker material helped him get through it.
Second, Burton's and Nolan's vision are different beasts. I agree that Burton's film is excellent, but I can't really compare it to Nolan's series.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website