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  1. And somewhere in between one of the spaceships gets damaged. This is where the music most people hate is from.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2008
    Christodoulides wrote
    Haha, reminds me of Scientology's crap.


    The fetus's or summat?

    Cruise and Travolta have far more money than sense.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  2. Antineutrino wrote
    And somewhere in between one of the spaceships gets damaged. This is where the music most people hate is from.

    Yeah, for me, that´s actually the best part of the movie, beside the score in the scene, that´s just horrible. But I found the idea of them having to "fall down" to the other ship quite terrifying and well done. Pure nonsense, I guess, but still quite terrifying.
  3. Erik Woods wrote
    And don't get me started on Sunshine. Same shit here. Great film until SUNMAN enters the film and then it turns into a cheap chase movie. Why? I've just invested a lot of time into a slow moving sci-fi epic film... I'm digging it... give me something else instead of an obligatory finale action scene. Why do producers and directors keep thinking that we need to have this big climactic action scene at the end of a film to come away satisfied. So, that third act in Sunshine is pure garbage, IMHO.
    -Erik-


    Major Spoilers for Sunshine

    The problem is that I find it hard to see where the story would have been gone without Sunman. I mean, in the end he´s responsible for everything that went wrong right from the beginning; his actions are with us long before he´s introduced, and I think that´s one of the facts people tend to overlook. He doesn´t come out of nowhere, and I find it quite interesting to have him as a kind of invisible antagonist until he´s forced to come out into the open and get his work finished.

    I mean, what would have happened without him? Icarus I would have succeeded in the first place.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2008
    Ralph Kruhm wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    And don't get me started on Sunshine. Same shit here. Great film until SUNMAN enters the film and then it turns into a cheap chase movie. Why? I've just invested a lot of time into a slow moving sci-fi epic film... I'm digging it... give me something else instead of an obligatory finale action scene. Why do producers and directors keep thinking that we need to have this big climactic action scene at the end of a film to come away satisfied. So, that third act in Sunshine is pure garbage, IMHO.
    -Erik-


    Major Spoilers for Sunshine

    The problem is that I find it hard to see where the story would have been gone without Sunman. I mean, in the end he´s responsible for everything that went wrong right from the beginning; his actions are with us long before he´s introduced, and I think that´s one of the facts people tend to overlook. He doesn´t come out of nowhere, and I find it quite interesting to have him as a kind of invisible antagonist until he´s forced to come out into the open and get his work finished.

    I mean, what would have happened without him? Icarus I would have succeeded in the first place.


    It's the fact that he is SUNMAN that bothers me.

    -Erik-
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  4. Yeah, I see where you´re coming from, and there you´re right. Seven years is a long time without sunblockers. smile
  5. Christodoulides wrote
    I haven't seen it yet and i don't plan to, largely put off by the unbearable Morricone score, but i am still curious so could someone be kind enough and completely spoil it for me by telling me what happens throughout the film and what is its ending?


    Is it the two dissonant tracks for organ that are so unbearable? Or the atonal electronic music that appears in one track? Because the rest is fairly melodic and not particularly unique in the Morricone canon...
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
  6. Erik Woods wrote
    Ralph Kruhm wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    And don't get me started on Sunshine. Same shit here. Great film until SUNMAN enters the film and then it turns into a cheap chase movie. Why? I've just invested a lot of time into a slow moving sci-fi epic film... I'm digging it... give me something else instead of an obligatory finale action scene. Why do producers and directors keep thinking that we need to have this big climactic action scene at the end of a film to come away satisfied. So, that third act in Sunshine is pure garbage, IMHO.
    -Erik-


    Major Spoilers for Sunshine

    The problem is that I find it hard to see where the story would have been gone without Sunman. I mean, in the end he´s responsible for everything that went wrong right from the beginning; his actions are with us long before he´s introduced, and I think that´s one of the facts people tend to overlook. He doesn´t come out of nowhere, and I find it quite interesting to have him as a kind of invisible antagonist until he´s forced to come out into the open and get his work finished.

    I mean, what would have happened without him? Icarus I would have succeeded in the first place.


    It's the fact that he is SUNMAN that bothers me.

    -Erik-


    I agree. A thoughtful film became a stupid film very swiftly.

    A much better plot point would be to have the perfectly human crew of Icarus II come to blows over whether Earth was worth saving. It would have been far more in keeping with the philosophical musings of the first half, which are frankly jettisoned the moment Pinbacker shows up. By having the one who wants to stop the mission stark raving mad and all powerful, the issue of whether the Earth is worth saving never comes up again, because the general audience would not think that Pinbacker is of a state of mind to pass judgement.

    And it would have been implied by such a plot development that the same had happened to Icarus I.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorRalph Kruhm
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2008 edited
    Honestly, I don´t see our handpicked crew of specialists sent to save Earth debate about an abortion of their mission, and they never did during the first acts (I don´t see where you are getting this from). That would have been even more implausible than the dust man raving around. I think the only mistake they made is the physical condition of Pinbacker. It would have worked better with his skin condition being more or less okay. It´s his mind that is snapped, and that should be the point.
  7. franz_conrad wrote
    Is it the two dissonant tracks for organ that are so unbearable? Or the atonal electronic music that appears in one track? Because the rest is fairly melodic and not particularly unique in the Morricone canon...

    The problem is that the fairly melodic stuff doesn´t fit to the scenes it is put together with. At all. To explain what I mean: Imagine a beautiful love theme being used for the scene where the Emperor tries to draw Luke towards the Dark Side and you get it.
  8. Ralph Kruhm wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    Is it the two dissonant tracks for organ that are so unbearable? Or the atonal electronic music that appears in one track? Because the rest is fairly melodic and not particularly unique in the Morricone canon...

    The problem is that the fairly melodic stuff doesn´t fit to the scenes it is put together with. At all. To explain what I mean: Imagine a beautiful love theme being used for the scene where the Emperor tries to draw Luke towards the Dark Side and you get it.


    I was curious as to what Demetris found unbearable in the music (hence I quoted him). Since he hasn't seen the film, I doubt it's anything to do with the scenes it is used in.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
  9. Ralph Kruhm wrote
    Honestly, I don´t see our handpicked crew of specialists sent to save Earth debate about an abortion of their mission, and they never did during the first acts (I don´t see where you are getting this from). That would have been even more implausible than the dust man raving around. I think the only mistake they made is the physical condition of Pinbacker. It would have worked better with his skin condition being more or less okay. It´s his mind that is snapped, and that should be the point.


    From the very first scene, it's clear that 'travelling near to the sun' is having effects on the psychology of the crew, and the debate is hinted at in the dialogue scenes (particularly those involving Cliff Curtis's character). This was actually where the film was headed before Pinbacker showed up and the most interesting character was farewelled. Science fiction films have often been the staging ground for morality plays like this - both versions of SOLARIS come to mind.

    I have much greater reservations with a plotline that abandons the possibility that an ordinary person might crack when they come near to the sun. To make the threat totally external to the crew gives us no sympathy for that perspective. It's just a demonic boogie-man chasing the wholesome through a dark house, and lord knows there's enough films about that. Practical plotting gives way to impossible physics. A superhuman who needs neither food nor drink to live turns out to be the real problem. Suddenly the chilling prospect that a whole crew of people (the Icarus I) might have chosen as a group to expose themselves to the sun's killing rays becomes the more conventional scenario that they were tricked into it.

    My my my - I think the day after I saw this film I couldn't stop complaining of how wrong they got this. It's always the worst when a film starts well and throws caution to the wind.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
  10. I think after the rest of the crew died he had enough food and water to sustain himself for those seven years. And about that psychological thing - you are right to say that it would have been interesting to see what happens with them, BUT I think we already saw it in the reactions to small things happening. I doubt that much more could have happened, and I still don´t see them abandon their mission just because they had too much sun around.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2008
    I'm watching the Wimbledon final at the moment. If you're into tennis like me, this is awesome! Come on Federer!!

    punk

    Currently 4/4 sets - 4/3 games (Federer/Nadal)
  11. It turned out to be a great game - I'm pleased for Nadal that he finally won. Though he should have ended it hours before!
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2008
    Two titans battling it out with that game! They both deserved to win, although I was rooting for Federer just so he could get that record for 6 in a row. Great atmosphere, even watching it on TV.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2008
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    It turned out to be a great game - I'm pleased for Nadal that he finally won. Though he should have ended it hours before!


    I shall always look on Nadal with affection for whupping misery face Murray and his noodle armed muscles back to Scotland! cool beer
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2008
    Timmer wrote
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    It turned out to be a great game - I'm pleased for Nadal that he finally won. Though he should have ended it hours before!


    I shall always look on Nadal with affection for whupping misery face Murray and his noodle armed muscles back to Scotland! cool beer


    Ha! Yeah, my mum doesn't like him too. I'm indifferent, I didn't really care that he lost to Nadal.

    I am pleased for Nadal though, he certainly deserved it.
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      CommentAuthorBhelPuri
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008
    Didn't see the Wimbledon finals but I did catch up on a couple of movies-

    Greystoke: The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes
    The movie is ok but then I got the DVD only to check out John Scott's score which was simply marvellous-- epic, sweeping ballet in the jungle. I need to check out the suites from the score from a couple of compilations.

    L'Ultimo Bacio (The Last Kiss)
    Lovely! This was a fun ride with a fast screenplay... all about relationships between various couples. There's something very charming about the simple Italian films of the last decade. I wasn't a fan of the score when I got the cd a few years back but I've changed my mind after watching the film. It works great!
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      CommentAuthorChristoph
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008
    "Unknown" with Caviezel : strong concept, nice editing and some nice twists. ****

    The US of Leland : drama with some strong psychological reflections, although the explanation of the actions of the main character isgiven way too late . Ryan Gosling is good in playaing passive, lazy persons but other from that ...
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008
    I've seen it too, very weak and boring.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008
    I watched THE GODFATHER again last night for the first time in many years and what a brilliant film it is, deservedly mentioned time after time in all time great film lists. powerful film making at it's very best and a classic score by Nino Rota to boot.

    If there's anyone here who's not seen it then that's your loss!

    I'll watch Part II tonight.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008
    Timmer wrote

    I'll watch Part II tonight.


    Gimme Part II any day! lick
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008
    Steven wrote
    Timmer wrote

    I'll watch Part II tonight.


    Gimme Part II any day! lick


    You make it sound like Part I is a much lesser film!? shocked

    I would consider I & II as one film. Part II is brilliant and I'm looking forward to seeing it again this evening.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008
    Timmer wrote
    Steven wrote
    Timmer wrote

    I'll watch Part II tonight.


    Gimme Part II any day! lick


    You make it sound like Part I is a much lesser film!? shocked

    I would consider I & II as one film. Part II is brilliant and I'm looking forward to seeing it again this evening.


    Yeah, my bad. They're both brilliant, I just prefer Part II thanks to the Father and son paralleling story lines... so awesome!!!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008
    Steven wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Steven wrote
    Timmer wrote

    I'll watch Part II tonight.


    Gimme Part II any day! lick


    You make it sound like Part I is a much lesser film!? shocked

    I would consider I & II as one film. Part II is brilliant and I'm looking forward to seeing it again this evening.


    Yeah, my bad. They're both brilliant, I just prefer Part II thanks to the Father and son paralleling story lines... so awesome!!!


    beer

    A cast to die for too! Despite all the towering performances I always remember Pacino as a cut above everyone else.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008
    I love the mafia boss, the one in the white suit. Such a charismatic performance! That whole scene is awesome, the one where DeNiro kills him in his own home.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2008 edited
    Steven wrote
    I love the mafia boss, the one in the white suit. Such a charismatic performance! That whole scene is awesome, the one where DeNiro kills him in his own home.


    Yeah, the bully boy who's skimming the cream off everyone, a vile but brilliant character.

    The character is called Don Fanucci biggrin

    I'm still not completely sure but I might just give Godfather II the edge over the first one.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorRalph Kruhm
    • CommentTimeJul 9th 2008 edited
    The whole family went out to a double feature yesterday...

    First we saw Kung Fu Panda.
    Amazing. Just that, amazing. Adorable characters, great animation, fraktastic fight sequences, great settings, nice dialogues, very old and cliché ridden story, but hell, it was so well done that I can forgive them instantly. Probably the best take on that "becoming the hero" stuff I´ve seen in a very long while. Do yourself a favour and watch that in theatres! And do I have to say how amazing the score is...? 9/10 for an animation movie, 8/10 for movies in general.


    Second movie was Hancock.
    Another take on "becoming the hero"... Will Smith owned that role from second one. My god, you can see every second how much he´s suffering from something he has no idea about what it actually is. Until you realize what it is.... which is when the movie totally turns around to be something entirely different than what you thought by watching the trailers...

    SPOILER ZONE - avoid at all cost if you wanna be surprised
    I think that this movie will suck immensely for everyone who is not a romantic by heart or for someone who likes his romance to be very subtile. But if you dig big romance, and I mean epic, larger than life, across space and time romance, you´re going to get goosebumps the size of Manhattan when you finally realize just how BIG this romance is...
    End of Spoiler Zone

    Effects, score, actors, everything great. Story, well, that depends... it is turned upside down, in the way that From Dusk Til Dawn is suddenly a totally different movie from one second to the next. If you are prepared for that, go see it. Charlize Theron is worth every buck you have. But what shall I give it? Well, it depends... the general audience might hate it... ...but I give it 9/10 for a superhero movie, and 7/10 as a general rating, but keep in mind that I´m easy to satisfy and even loved Emmerich´s Godzilla.


    So yes, generally speaking, the Panda beats Hancock, but by a little margin.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 9th 2008
    Timmer wrote
    Steven wrote
    I love the mafia boss, the one in the white suit. Such a charismatic performance! That whole scene is awesome, the one where DeNiro kills him in his own home.


    Yeah, the bully boy who's skimming the cream off everyone, a vile but brilliant character.

    The character is called Don Fanucci biggrin

    I'm still not completely sure but I might just give Godfather II the edge over the first one.


    ...and what an excellent turn from DeNiro cool
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt