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- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeApr 27th 2009
I was amused to hear how cues from KOH were tracked into Narnia
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeApr 27th 2009
DemonStar wrote
The Fairytale theme reminds me of one of the themes from Goldsmith's Mulan.

Eh?
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeApr 27th 2009
The "emperor" theme from Mulan sounds almost uncannily similar to that one.
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeApr 27th 2009
Marselus wrote

lp wrote

DemonStar wrote
The 3 CD version of Kingdom Of Heaven is a great listening experience!

I actually prefer the official album editing since it flows really well. But, it's amazing how many variations Harry had to create for the movie.

Yeah, and then Ridley Scott changed those for cues from other scores / composers. Great Ridley, great...

I think that part of the reason was due to the fact that he had to trim so much for the theatrical version. A possibility? What this means it that I'll have to get the director's cut version to see whether he put back the original versions that Harry had written.
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeApr 27th 2009
DemonStar wrote
The "emperor" theme from Mulan sounds almost uncannily similar to that one.

I do know the "theme" you're referring to, but they're fundamentally different in construction. The only similarity is the rising string line.
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeApr 27th 2009
Yeah, but I'm still reminded of it when I hear Shrek. Not complaining though, it fits there great
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeApr 27th 2009
DemonStar wrote
Yeah, but I'm still reminded of it when I hear Shrek. Not complaining though, it fits there great

In fact, both scores are great and they suit their respective movies perfectly.
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeApr 27th 2009
Shrek sounded great in the movie, I remember, though I only saw the last half (Dragon ride part) of it at a friend's house.
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeApr 27th 2009
DemonStar wrote
Shrek sounded great in the movie, I remember, though I only saw the last half (Dragon ride part) of it at a friend's house.

As much as I enjoy it, the Shrek scores has been the kind of scores that works great in the movie, and kinda falters as a standalone listening experience.
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
After listening to this CD a couple time yesterday, here's my impression of it.

It has a theme. I do like the theme, it's a bit in the classic anthemic/MV range, with a long line melody, and not just a 2-3 notes thing like Iron Man. It's memorable enough for me. The score as a whole is somewhat thematic, The only down side is that the theme doesn't get developed as much as I like. There's some good tracks that showcase this. "Logan Through Time" has the main them mixed in between the KOH-style choral percussion work. "To The Island" shows the main theme as both an action/adventure theme, which is quite nice. "I'll Find My Own Way" seems to be the full statement of the theme and it's a pretty good one.

Everything else, though, with exception of the "Kayla" theme and two good action cues, "Agent Zero Comes for Logan" and "Logan Meets Gambit", are (sadly) mostly forgettable. These tracks has something good in it, but they're hidden between some un-characteristicly mediocre stuff.

So, if you like any of Harry's recent stuff, it will all sound a bit similar, but that's to be expected since it's his style and all. But there are things to like in the score. The Wolverine theme is good. It's thematic, melodic, adventurous, but could use more development. The action material is half good, half bad and they're well mixed, which kinda sucks, but when the good parts comes, they're like little rewards and do sounds amazing.
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
The Wolverine theme sounded promising but was replaced by synth drones before it could be fleshed out. The rest of the "good stuff" on there sounded just like Narnia/KOH rehash to me, nothing new. Rest was all electronic/synth stuff.

I hope he doesn't do something like this in Prince of Persia.
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
DemonStar wrote
The Wolverine theme sounded promising but was replaced by synth drones before it could be fleshed out. The rest of the "good stuff" on there sounded just like Narnia/KOH rehash to me, nothing new. Rest was all electronic/synth stuff.

I hope he doesn't do something like this in Prince of Persia.

IMO, the last track "I'll Find My Own Way" has the best version of the theme. And, with the exception of the percussion, it sounded pretty orchestral/non-synthetic to me.

I don't get the Narnia/KOH rehash thing... With this score, it's becoming a trademark of Harry's style. I don't really get why it would be a really negative thing..... Maybe, because I don't think of KOH/Narnia when I'm listening, but rather that, heh, Harry's finally developed a specific style for his action/adventure scores.

Think of it this way, when I'm listening to Hans' Gladiator Waltz, I don't think, "blah, Peacemaker rehash with Holst". I thought, "Oh, Hans's referencing Holst here, taking the style he's developed in Peacemaker (and Muppet Treasure Island and Drop Zone) and popping it in here.
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
Well, the choir style sounded too similar to me. I know it's his style and all, but frankly I'd have liked to see some versatility here. And don't compare this with Zimmer's work, he may reference his own works in scores but they're far more subtle and have enough new material to keep up the interest.
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
DemonStar wrote
Well, the choir style sounded too similar to me. I know it's his style and all, but frankly I'd have liked to see some versatility here. And don't compare this with Zimmer's work, he may reference his own works in scores but they're far more subtle and have enough new material to keep up the interest.

Okay. FYI, I wasn't really comparing Harry to Hans though. I'm glad that Harry has his own style, and sound that he can use that makes him different than Hans.
- CommentAuthorThomas Glorieux
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
DemonStar wrote
Well, the choir style sounded too similar to me. I know it's his style and all, but frankly I'd have liked to see some versatility here. And don't compare this with Zimmer's work, he may reference his own works in scores but they're far more subtle and have enough new material to keep up the interest.

I think Harry was one of the few we never referenced with Hans Zimmer
Harry has a personal style which is good, but he uses not the full capacity of it, which is sad
waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! Where's my nut? arrrghhhhhhh
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
The question in many people's minds on Harry getting this project all along had always been why.
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeMay 1st 2009
Christodoulides wrote
The question in many people's minds on Harry getting this project all along had always been why.

Cause he's a composer who has done successful work on lots of movies?
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeMay 1st 2009
lp wrote

DemonStar wrote
Well, the choir style sounded too similar to me. I know it's his style and all, but frankly I'd have liked to see some versatility here. And don't compare this with Zimmer's work, he may reference his own works in scores but they're far more subtle and have enough new material to keep up the interest.

Okay. FYI, I wasn't really comparing Harry to Hans though. I'm glad that Harry has his own style, and sound that he can use that makes him different than Hans.

Yep I know. Don't get me wrong bud, I like Harry's style too, I really like his KOH and Narnia scores. I only wished he did something refreshing and different while still staying true to his style.
- CommentAuthorThomas Glorieux
- CommentTimeMay 1st 2009
Christodoulides wrote
The question in many people's minds on Harry getting this project all along had always been why.

because they couldn't get all the other RC composers and were stuck with him?
no seriously, perhaps a friend as crew member
waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! Where's my nut? arrrghhhhhhh
- CommentAuthorColSharpe
- CommentTimeJun 5th 2009 edited
The Taking of Pelham 123

Artwork

http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Pelham-Ori … mp;sr=1-64

June 9, 2009
Label: Sony Pictures Entertainment
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJun 5th 2009 edited
ColSharpe wrote
The Taking of Pelham 123

Artwork

http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Pelham-Ori … mp;sr=1-64

June 9, 2009
Label: Sony Pictures Entertainment

Timmer predicts....

The film will be .................Not good.

The score will be ..............Not good.

Timmer suggests....

Go see the original film.

Go buy the original score.
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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJun 5th 2009
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
- CommentAuthorColSharpe
- CommentTimeJun 5th 2009
And it's a CD-R release
- CommentAuthorMarselus
- CommentTimeJun 5th 2009
Timmer wrote
Go see the original film.

Agreed!

I´ll love the new version though. Tony Scott rarely disappoints me.
Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJun 5th 2009
Well, i like TONY SCOTT and i am looking forward to this film; but i think HGW has proven long time ago now that he isn't up to it anymore; i have zero expectations.
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeJun 6th 2009
I'd take CD-R over download-only anytime. Interested in this one though, if it's like Spy Game then it'll be great.
- CommentAuthorkeky
- CommentTimeJun 6th 2009
As much as I loved Gregson-Williams' music some years ago, his recent output doesn't really grab my attention. Although I liked the music of Prince Caspian, it was much weaker on album than the first Narnia score. Since his music for the Tony Scott directed films have never been among my favourites, I don't really hope this new CD will bring us new dimensions of his music...
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Scribe wrote
Musicianship? Composers are not musicians, unless we're talking about Brian Tyler. At least HGW conducts, which is a lot more than most of his generation does.

Musicianship is a quality that characterizes (or not) everyone who deals with music, from sound engineers to instrument performers. Composers are not musicians made me giggle to tell you the truth. Every composer (or at least a GOOD composer) is a musician. Brian Tyler also happens to be a performer as well.

Instrumentation? I can't speak for the technicalities here...if I could, I'd be a composer myself. But HGW's music has gotten a lot denser and more complex in recent years. If there is something technically wrong with his instrumentations, why don't you share what you know? Or is it above the comprehension of non-musically-trained people?

There isn't anything in there. Poor, blatant same ol' electronics' bed each and every time. Drone. Kingdom of Heaven -on the contrary, had a lot of work in this area. I am sure you can tell the difference.

Development and coherence? I hear more in Caspian and Wolverine than I hear in his older works.

Mmmkay..

Musical meaning? If that's not a category of personal preference, I don't know what is...

What meaning does continuous dry drone on CD have, other than escort some film on screen? Where's the structure? The coherence in the musical ideas? The AIM of the music? What seperates MUSIC from SOUND DESIGN?
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
- CommentAuthorScribe
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009 edited
Christodoulides wrote

Scribe wrote
Musicianship? Composers are not musicians, unless we're talking about Brian Tyler. At least HGW conducts, which is a lot more than most of his generation does.

Musicianship is a quality that characterizes (or not) everyone who deals with music, from sound engineers to instrument performers. Composers are not musicians made me giggle to tell you the truth. Every composer (or at least a GOOD composer) is a musician. Brian Tyler also happens to be a performer as well.

Well, now we're just arguing definitions. What is your definition of musicianship, then? And how does it apply or not apply to Harry?

Christodoulides wrote

Instrumentation? I can't speak for the technicalities here...if I could, I'd be a composer myself. But HGW's music has gotten a lot denser and more complex in recent years. If there is something technically wrong with his instrumentations, why don't you share what you know? Or is it above the comprehension of non-musically-trained people?

There isn't anything in there. Poor, blatant same ol' electronics' bed each and every time. Drone. Kingdom of Heaven -on the contrary, had a lot of work in this area. I am sure you can tell the difference.

No, I can't tell such a drastic difference with KoH versus Narnia or Wolverine. I guess that makes me a musical idiot? huh? Granted, there are a lot more electronics in Wolverine than KoH, but that only makes sense given the film genre difference. But let's focus on the purely orchestral parts...technically, what is HGW doing wrong that makes him so lazy? Concrete examples, please. At least make an effort to explain yourself to the layperson, even if you think I won't understand.

Development and coherence? I hear more in Caspian and Wolverine than I hear in his older works.

Mmmkay..

Must I point to specific example? Perhaps I will grab some clips sometime and point out all the thematic development in Caspian and Wolverine.

Musical meaning? If that's not a category of personal preference, I don't know what is...

What meaning does continuous dry drone on CD have, other than escort some film on screen? Where's the structure? The coherence in the musical ideas? The AIM of the music? What seperates MUSIC from SOUND DESIGN?

What on earth are you listening to that you can categorize any of HGW's recent scores as "continuous dry drone"??? There's an abundance of melodic ideas in every cue of every single one of HGW's scores. Name any cue in any HGW score and I will give you an example...and if I can't, I will surrender the point.
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- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
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