Christopher Nolan's "Inception" - SPOILERS!

Ah, I knew it was only a matter of time ( ?..... ) before Inception gathered its detractors.

Opinions can be wrong.

Wait Wait Wait. I'm not saying that as an example No Country For Old Men didn't have merit as a good story. The problem I have is the violence that was shown.

In real life drug lords in Mexico when they retaliate against a gang will kill someone, chop off their head, put it on a wooden stake and pound the stake into the street on the main drag of Tijuana. I know it happens which makes me want to vomit so that is enough. I don't need to see it. However, I'm sure the violence produced huge ticket sales. Its like some people going to road races, dog fights, and cock fights. They want to experience the violence of someone hurt in a car crash or the maming and killing of a bird or dog.

The same is true of No Country For Old Men. The violence of the sociopath could have been done so the blood and gore didn't have to be seen. I didn't need to see the killing with his cow killing can.

I guess I've seen too much of life to want to see anymore of the violence. I'd rather put a smile on a child's face than waste my time and money on seeing killing and torture. I'm a prude.

But if the violence is essential to the story and characters then it's justified. You might not like it but to poo-poo a film like No Country just because of it's violence isn't fair. The Cohen's didn't make No Country a violence genre picture in hopes of selling more tickets. There's much more to it. And Inception is no where near as violent or gory as The Departed and No Country.

-Erik-

Exactly. The films Tom mentioned don't have the sanitised violence and glory of John Wayne. The violence used in those films are intricate to the plot and isn't gratuitous.

And I don't agree that glorified violence is particularly bad anyway. Those of us blessed with common sense know we shouldn't replicate said violence in real life, and can enjoy it as pure fiction and entertainment! Imagine Die Hard without the gratuitous violence?

Fuck prudishness, seriously. Fuck it in the ass.

Indeed. Does seem a little odd to watch a film you know will contain violence if you're against that type of thing.


...but then he wouldn't have anything to complain about I guess.

Steven you might benefit from taking the cotton out of your ears, putting it in your mouth and listening to other point of views.

Mexico makes snuff films. Do you approve of those too?

you do know there is a market for those kind of films.

you have a filthy mouth that makes me angry.

My advice would be to watch the film The Killers starring Burt Lancaster. At the end of the film the door to his room closes you hear a shot and thats it. We're not moronic we know what happens. In a way your saying we need to see the trigger pulled and Lancaster being blown apart. I don't agree.

My point of the snuff films was one of where do you draw the line. I'm sure millions are made with those. As a civilized society I don't need to see this kind of thing thus my comment about the heads on the stake, the snuff films, and the violence in the films today.

Thomas

Then don't get angry. It's quite simple.



No, I'm not Tom. I'm saying that violence in films is not necessarily bad, even if it's gratuitous violence ala Die Hard. Nor am I saying that it should be shown all the time. I'm sure that scene in that particular film is a brilliant and well handled example.

Point out exactly where I said that violence should be shown all the time and I will concede. Failing that, I would advise reading others' points a little more diligently rather than reacting so emotionally.



Snuff films is a completely different matter altogether and has nothing to do with my point, Tom. I'm not entirely sure what snuff films has to do with this discussion, but I do agree that's where the line should be drawn.

Films where people are murdered/tortured for real, I guess the most obvious would be the Al-Qeida films of the beheading of "infidel" westerners.

In fact my last example is a bad one, check out Wiki for a better explanation.

p.s. Wasn't 8 MM which starred Nicholas Cage and Joaquin Pheonix about underground snuff movies?

good score by Mychael Danna too

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Spoilers please!

Underground sex snuff films would be then. Yeap, the dark middle eastern flavored Danna score was a highlight. Pretty underrated movie too.

So, if this above is what snuff films is, then Tom is surely a bit out of leage comparing that crap with films like No country for old men. If he was comparing them with utter torture porn crap like the saw films or hostel and stuff, then i'd agree with him.

The Saw films are an interesting example. I have no problem whatsoever with people enjoying them; they're like horror fairground rides in movie form. People often like to be disgusted and scared for the adrenaline, which -if no thing or no one gets hurt in the process- is fair enough. I just don't like them myself. It's goriness for the sake of goriness. (So there may indeed be an element of 'snuff' in the Saw films.)



Sure, some films would benefit from that. But I wouldn't suddenly want every film to become preachy and forego the entertainment of awesome action scenes. (Imagine The Matrix if every time someone got shot, we cut to a scene of a grieving family.)