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Recent Viewing Part III
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- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
So's your face."Message board incredulity is the least satisfied emotion in human history." - Franz -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
Martijn, you should have realized by now that Steven wants that candle dinner BADLY. He's mentioning it even in puns, in every given chance. Why don't you give it to him already? -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
Oh, I'll give it to him, alright.'So, this is pretty much the worst original-to-remake transition in the entire history of film scoring. Poledouris...to Bates.' ~ Scribe -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
D's interested too, he's oiling his hands. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeMar 9th 2010 edited
Well, you know. One has to benefit what he can from everything happening around him. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
I forsee an oiltastic time ahead. -
- CommentAuthorplindboe
- CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
Martijn wrote
From the seventies onwards Brando was so enamoured by the plight of the native Americans that in every film he made he wished to express the cruelty of the White Men in obsessive and often ludicrous ways (he is rumoured to have suggested adding a scene to Christopher Columbus where the clergy was seen cooking natives, for no apparent reason).
Grotesque yes, but that actually happened. I remember reading the primary sources in school about the natives being boiled alive during the early encounters.
Peter
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- CommentAuthorplindboe
- CommentTimeMar 9th 2010 edited
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- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
Well, cooking as a punishment for heresy and treason was well-established, but there is actually not direct proof that Columbus or his troops and successors had the time and the man power to indulge in practises like these (although obviously huge atrocities were committed).
In the eighties and nineties it became rather fashionable to consider Columbus as a genocidal psychopath who delighted in nothing else but great scores of horribly mutilated Indian bodies each day.
Interestingly it was the clergy (in the form of Spanish missionaries) who strongly protested the ill treatment of the natives and strongly advocated their right for self-determination.
It's since also become clear that a lot of these stories are likely attributable to anti-Roman and anti- Inquisition political propaganda.
(Obviously I'm not saying the Inquisition and Torquemada were some sort of Justice League -far from it, in fact- , but they were as politicized as their opponents...and a lot of it stuck).'So, this is pretty much the worst original-to-remake transition in the entire history of film scoring. Poledouris...to Bates.' ~ Scribe -
- CommentAuthorplindboe
- CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
I can't remember if it was under Columbus' watch or whether it was later as I haven't really researched it, but I trust what you're saying as you seem to know what you're talking about. I just remember it horrified me at the time, so that's why it had stuck with me.
Peter
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- CommentAuthorplindboe
- CommentTimeMar 9th 2010 edited
One of the sources I remember was Bartolomé de las Casas' A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies. His account is rather colourful, and if true, certainly horrific. He describes several horrors occuring on Hispaniola, which was the island with the earliest settlements.
It was written in 1542 though, 50 years after the arrival of Columbus, so I'm not sure how trustworthy it is. I wonder how historians view these writings.
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
NW : Wonders of The Solar System -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
It's like the Americans today, civilizing other nations and restoring order by chopping heads off. It's all down to how you choose to see things
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- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeMar 10th 2010
Star Trek: The Man Trap
Good episode! Interesting how well-formed the Kirk and McCoy characters were already, in the first broadcast episode. (Spock was a way off what he would become though.) My fears about the effects were completely dismissed here - the exterior planet shots were excellent, the Enterprise looked good. Much better than in The Cage.
I wonder about the widescreen though - presumably quite a bit of detail must be being lost from the top and bottom of the frame? -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeMar 10th 2010
I've seen an explanation on that...but I never understood a word.
'So, this is pretty much the worst original-to-remake transition in the entire history of film scoring. Poledouris...to Bates.' ~ Scribe -
- CommentAuthorBregje
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2010
Cutthroat Island. On TV. Entertaining!
Especialy after a long day of work with my lazy ass on the couch.
I had never seen the movie before.
The music was OK.
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- CommentAuthorMarselus
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2010
Bregje wrote
Cutthroat Island. On TV. Entertaining!
Especialy after a long day of work with my lazy ass on the couch.
I had never seen the movie before.
An underrated pirates / adventure movie. Much, much, MUCH better then the Pirates of the Carib..zzzz.zzzz saga. Good ol´times when Renny Harlin made great movies.
Bregje wrote
The music was OK.
Whaat?! "Ok"? One of the best scores ever! -
- CommentAuthorDreamTheater
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2010
I'm sure she was just understating what we all know for a fact: Debney's Cutthroat Island is total brilliance and a must-buy for every film score fan.
I agree the movie is a lot better than cinema-goers gave it credit for. Why the hell this bombed and POTC not is beyond me. If anything Cutthroat is more of a real pirate movie than Dead Man's Chest and At World's End will ever be. Waiting for this on blu: Debney's score in DTS-HD !!!!!
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- CommentAuthorBregje
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2010
DreamTheater wrote
I'm sure she was just understating what we all know for a fact: Debney's Cutthroat Island is total brilliance and a must-buy for every film score fan.
Yep, that's why I wanted to watch the movie in the first place.
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2010
Bregje wrote
DreamTheater wrote
I'm sure she was just understating what we all know for a fact: Debney's Cutthroat Island is total brilliance and a must-buy for every film score fan.
Yep, that's why I wanted to watch the movie in the first place.
I think the score is good. -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2010
I think it's great."Message board incredulity is the least satisfied emotion in human history." - Franz -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2010
Nah, just very good IMO, I don't get the fuss some people display over this score? I have the old CD release and I do struggle a bit to get through the whole thing but on the whole it's verry enjoyable. -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2010
I still think it's great."Message board incredulity is the least satisfied emotion in human history." - Franz -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2010 edited
Good for you.
But I did up my rating from 'good' to 'very good'
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2010 edited
I know for a fact that it's great.host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | "Alexandre Desplat's score to Harry Potter 7 Pt. 1 is the opposite of good!" -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2010
One things for sure, I'd have farrrrr preferred a Debney score for the POTC films.
FACT! -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2010
Timmer wrote
One things for sure, I'd have farrrrr preferred a Debney score for the POTC films.
FACT!
Agreed!
-Erik-host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | "Alexandre Desplat's score to Harry Potter 7 Pt. 1 is the opposite of good!" -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2010 edited
Timmer wrote
Nah, just very good IMO, I don't get the fuss some people display over this score?
I find that a little hard to believe!
Some scores are very easy to see why people love them, and CutThroat Island is one of them. It's blindingly obvious, for example, why people love Morricone's scores, even though I don't particularly enjoy them myself."Message board incredulity is the least satisfied emotion in human history." - Franz -
- CommentAuthorMarselus
- CommentTimeMar 13th 2010
The Lovely Bones
I have a bit of a problem with this one. I dont´know if I like it or not
Good story, strong performances (Stanley Tucci is as sinister as he can be), good direction,.... Still, I have this feeling something is wrong.
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMar 13th 2010
Steven wrote
Timmer wrote
Nah, just very good IMO, I don't get the fuss some people display over this score?
I find that a little hard to believe!
Some scores are very easy to see why people love them, and CutThroat Island is one of them. It's blindingly obvious, for example, why people love Morricone's scores, even though I don't particularly enjoy them myself.
A Good point Steven, a bit of an un-thought out flippant comment from me there.