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  1. Steven wrote
    It's a great score, genius even - but I've never had the patience to listen to the complete score. Too many bloody short cues! I just can't enjoy that, no matter how good the themes are, and no matter how clever the score is. And it has brilliant themes and is of course very clever.

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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010 edited
    Although I prefer Rozsa's wonderfully lyrical and mature score to Lydia (the piano suite at the end of the Mathieson recording of Knights Of The Round Table is stunning), it's hard to argue with Herrmann's powerfully brusque sound to this film... and funnily enough I suffer the same fate as Steven: started this CD many yimes...but never could finish it. shame
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  2. The recent Chandos re-recording helps by gathering a lot of the short tracks into longer suites. And it's about 10 minutes shorter than the Varese re-recording.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    I wasn't aware there was a rerecording!
    Who is conducting it?
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  3. Martijn wrote
    I wasn't aware there was a rerecording!
    Who is conducting it?

    Rumon Gamba conducting the BBC Philharmonic:

    http://www.maintitles.net/reviews/the-f … -herrmann/
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010 edited
    Rumon Gamba. Although they are gathered into suites, it still sounds like you're listening to short cues - because, effectively, that's exactly what it is. But I think psychology plays a big part; the fact that you know you're listening to suites does somewhat allow a little bit more patience with it perhaps?

    Definitely worth a listen, a typically top recording from the Chandos/BBC Philharmonic/Gamba.

    Edit; too slow.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    Hmmm... I'll stick with McNeely then: I could easily create a playlist of those short cues if the suites offer nothing additional.
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  4. The short cues were part of the innovation of the movie. Herrmann's background in radio meant that he was comfortable with using short transition cues between scenes. It's part-and-parcel of the score - but it doesn't make the listening any easier.
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  5. Martijn wrote
    Hmmm... I'll stick with McNeely then: I could easily create a playlist of those short cues if the suites offer nothing additional.

    For what it's worth, I prefer the sound of the Chandos version. But also the short cue format.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010 edited
    I should add that the structure of the suites makes for a more enjoyable listen than the full score (I think). All the upbeat cues are contained within one suite for example, so it doesn't sound so 'bitty'*.

    *Yes, tits. Very funny.

    Edit; Goddammit Alan! I was too slow again! biggrin
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  6. Steven wrote
    I should add that the structure of the suites makes for a more enjoyable listen than the full score (I think). All the upbeat cues are contained within one suite for example, so it doesn't sound so 'bitty'*.

    *Yes, tits. Very funny.

    Edit; Goddammit Alan! I was too slow again! biggrin

    Steven, that "bitty" reference surely needs a clip?
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    I guess it's the perfect analogy for Herrmann's scores. biggrin
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    I'm downloading Our Town as I'm typing, thanks Alan. I again disagree with majority on this one. The academy got it right this time. The Devil and Daniel Webster is a wonderful work of the highest order.
    http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/t … rherrmann/

    I've heard this performed live and it gave me shivers up and down my spine.
    Thomas smile
  7. I'm listening to some of the titles for 1942 and I wish TCM hadn't littered the Casablanca CD with dialogue. But it made me go hunting for a suite from the score and I'm just loving the "Prelude".
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    Best Music, Scoring of a Dramatic or Comedy Picture

    Winner:
    Now, Voyager (1942) - Max Steiner (I)

    Other Nominees:
    Arabian Nights (1942) - Frank Skinner (I)
    Bambi (1942) - Frank Churchill; Edward H. Plumb
    Flying Tigers (1942) - Victor Young (I)
    I Married a Witch (1942) - Roy Webb (I)
    Joan of Paris (1942) - Roy Webb (I)
    Jungle Book (1942) - Miklós Rózsa
    Klondike Fury (1942) - Edward J. Kay
    Random Harvest (1942) - Herbert Stothart
    Silver Queen (1942) - Victor Young (I)
    Take a Letter, Darling (1942) - Victor Young (I)
    The Black Swan (1942) - Alfred Newman
    The Corsican Brothers (1941) - Dimitri Tiomkin
    The Gold Rush (1925) - Max Terr
    The Pride of the Yankees (1942) - Leigh Harline
    The Shanghai Gesture (1941) - Richard Hageman
    The Talk of the Town (1942) - Friedrich Hollaender; Morris Stoloff
    To Be or Not to Be (1942) - Werner R. Heymann


    Casablanca went into the 1944 year for the Oscars. Interesting to note that Kings Row wasn't nominated for a music oscar.
    Thomas
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    Our Town was a wonderful score, even better than the suite though I'm not so sure about the new recording and the orchestra. I'm going to re-watch the film.
    Thomas
  8. sdtom wrote
    Casablanca went into the 1944 year for the Oscars.

    An interesting fact as it's listed as a 1942 film.

    But reading around*, it seems that it was released in New York in November 1942 to coincide with the U.S. invasion of Casablanca but as it didn't open in Los Angeles until January 1943 it didn't qualify for the Oscars that year.

    *http://goldderby.latimes.com/awards_goldderby/2009/03/news-oscars-284.html
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  9. sdtom wrote
    Our Town was a wonderful score, even better than the suite though I'm not so sure about the new recording and the orchestra. I'm going to re-watch the film.

    Are you wondering who the orchestra is? If you are then here are the details:

    Bohuslav Martinů Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Andrew Mogrelia.
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    sdtom wrote
    Best Music, Scoring of a Dramatic or Comedy Picture

    Winner:
    Now, Voyager (1942) - Max Steiner (I)

    Other Nominees:
    Arabian Nights (1942) - Frank Skinner (I)
    Bambi (1942) - Frank Churchill; Edward H. Plumb
    Flying Tigers (1942) - Victor Young (I)
    I Married a Witch (1942) - Roy Webb (I)
    Joan of Paris (1942) - Roy Webb (I)
    Jungle Book (1942) - Miklós Rózsa
    Klondike Fury (1942) - Edward J. Kay
    Random Harvest (1942) - Herbert Stothart
    Silver Queen (1942) - Victor Young (I)
    Take a Letter, Darling (1942) - Victor Young (I)
    The Black Swan (1942) - Alfred Newman
    The Corsican Brothers (1941) - Dimitri Tiomkin
    The Gold Rush (1925) - Max Terr
    The Pride of the Yankees (1942) - Leigh Harline
    The Shanghai Gesture (1941) - Richard Hageman
    The Talk of the Town (1942) - Friedrich Hollaender; Morris Stoloff
    To Be or Not to Be (1942) - Werner R. Heymann


    Casablanca went into the 1944 year for the Oscars. Interesting to note that Kings Row wasn't nominated for a music oscar.
    Thomas


    Well done for showing the following years choices after each of Alan's selections Tom. cool

    There's a lot of these I have no familiarity with at all.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    I know which is my favourite for 1942 too. cool
    I'm sure though Alan will have other thoughts, though. angry The man just has NO taste AT ALL.
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    Alan and I make a good team. cool

    I know what your choice is Martijn already and it isn't I Married A Witch.
    Thomas
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010 edited
    shocked

    Tom! You must be psychic!
    It most certainly indeed is NOT I Married A Witch!

    How did you do that?

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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    Will your choice be Klondike Fury, Martijn?
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    It certainly couldn't be??? Oh Sabu!!!!
    Thomas
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    Tom knows me very well, doesn't he? wink
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    Alan still puzzles me. Now Tim if Klondike Fury was by John Barry, the rest is history.
    Thomas
  10. sdtom wrote
    Alan still puzzles me.

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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    sdtom wrote
    Alan still puzzles me. Now Tim if Klondike Fury was by John Barry, the rest is history.
    Thomas


    And would be quite an achievement for a 9 year old. wink
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    cheesy
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    Hi Thomas. I also have the Celluloid Copland disc. A good overview of some lesser known works. I don’t know what happened to the download. I’ve sent a message to Classics Online through their Twitter account. There will be a physical CD release reportedly in August. Not 100% sure about the date though.

    This was the response I got from Jim Lochner at Filmclicks.
    Thomas