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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2010
    But if you're going to compact US in a brand that makes overly expensive computer equipment, starbucks and McDonald's then who am i to argue? wink
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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2010
    Christodoulides wrote
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    sdtom wrote
    Hollywood makes movies for the US market not Europe.

    shocked


    Very US-centric comment!


    Yeah, Hollywood makes movies for Americans but by using European and worldwide history, heritage, religion

    Everytime I remember how they used history, heritage and religion in Mission Impossible 2 I start bleeding.
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010
    Marselus wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    sdtom wrote
    Hollywood makes movies for the US market not Europe.

    shocked


    Very US-centric comment!


    Yeah, Hollywood makes movies for Americans but by using European and worldwide history, heritage, religion

    Everytime I remember how they used history, heritage and religion in Mission Impossible 2 I start bleeding.


    Remind me?

    Actually, NO! don't!! My poor psyche couldn't handle it.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorBhelPuri
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010
    sdtom wrote
    Hollywood makes movies for the US market not Europe.


    Tom,
    You might find this link and the pdfs therein interesting.
    http://www.obs.coe.int/oea_publ/market/focus.html

    Worldwide box office grosses are almost as important as the US market.
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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010
    Timmer wrote
    Marselus wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    sdtom wrote
    Hollywood makes movies for the US market not Europe.

    shocked


    Very US-centric comment!


    Yeah, Hollywood makes movies for Americans but by using European and worldwide history, heritage, religion

    Everytime I remember how they used history, heritage and religion in Mission Impossible 2 I start bleeding.


    Remind me?

    Actually, NO! don't!! My poor psyche couldn't handle it.

    Something regarding 'burning saints'. vomit
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010
    I picked a poor example with Hollywood but Apple is not a bad example but a good one. The top selling vehicle in the us is a ford pickup, ranger, 150, and 250. Do you think that Ford cares about what Europe thinks as far as this vehicle is concerned? My point is there are a lot of things made for Americans with 0 concern about what Europe has to say, good and bad. I really don't think I'm off base on this one at all. All countries including Canada, England, Greece, and others make products for their people only. Am I wrong on this? I think not.
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010
    Now it's better smile You're right on this one, every nation also makes stuff and sells stuff and entertainment which is primarily intended for consumption insider their borders; it's natural. smile
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010
    Although Apple isn't at all American these days; The cars you mention, are.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010 edited
    Marselus wrote
    sdtom wrote
    Hollywood makes movies for the US market not Europe.

    Maybe, but most of times international box office saves a movie form being a total flop.


    Yet interestingly, historically that has never saved a franchise.
    Even if a franchise does well abroad, if the domestic (i.e. US) market pans out, it's down the drain for any further considerations.

    Whether we like it or not, Tom is right.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010
    I'm sure there have been some exceptions....I just can't think of any?
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010 edited
    Martijn wrote
    Whether we like it or not, Tom is right.


    What, that Hollywood makes primarily films for Hollywood and us market? Mate, as you are familiar with the history of Hollywood i am sure, it began and had risen to power by producers who searched and bought cheap land and equipment and had the term of 'studio' as we know it today, making money and working 24 hours a day non-stop, all gathered in the same place. They succeeded initially via making cheap (cheaper than east coast at the time) b-movies for consumption in the western us and europe. All the early Hollywood stars, actors and directors, came celebrated and arisen from within the E.U where most of them preceeded into extending their careers further than the limits of the US.

    Hollywood utilizes everything i wrote above which is primarily european / world heritage. Not to mention actors, more of them, even stars, aren't genuine americans.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010 edited
    Timmer wrote
    I'm sure there have been some exceptions....I just can't think of any?


    I doubt it very much.
    Golden Compass did unexpectedly well in Europe, yet the sequels were aborted in light of the very poor US performance.
    James Bond is on hiatus due to numbers in the US dropping to an all-time low for the franchise 9even though Bond is still pretty big elsewhere).

    That's just off the top of my head.
    I'd be hard-presssed to come up with one US produced film that saved a studio or a franchise by doing well abroad and poorly domestically!
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010
    Christodoulides wrote
    Martijn wrote
    Whether we like it or not, Tom is right.


    What, that Hollywood makes primarily films for Hollywood and us market? Mate, as you are familiar with the history of Hollywood i am sure, it began and had risen to power by producers who searched and bought cheap land and equipment and had the term of 'studio' as we know it today, making money and working 24 hours a day non-stop, all gathered in the same place. They succeeded initially via making cheap (cheaper than east coast at the time) b-movies for consumption in the western us and europe. All the early Hollywood stars, actors and directors, came celebrated and arisen from within the E.U where most of them preceeded into extending their careers further than the limits of the US.


    But that's history, D.
    You're talking about the twenties of last century!
    That's simply not relevant any more.

    Hollywood utilizes everything i wrote above which is primarily european / world heritage. Not to mention actors, more of them, even stars, aren't genuine americans.


    I'm sure you'd be able to trace many aspects of US film (and indeed the lineage of 99.9% of the people connected to the film industry smile ) to a European/continental origin. But that's how the USA sociologically and histprically came to be, and that has little to do with the current marketing of US produced films.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010 edited
    Cinema is officially considered as art and as such, it's world heritage; as such, it also uses world heritage; it can't be contained in the limits of any country.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010
    But the Hollywood marketing/production system certainly is US-centric, which I thought was the point Tom was making? confused

    Cinema per se of course isn't US-centric at all.
    The US is "just" the best known and most prolific supplier in/for the West, with the best (controled) infrastructure to handle it.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010 edited
    If you look at it market-wise, then you have a point although we don't have the full exact numbers in front of us; but something tells me Tom took it a bit more patriotizing than that wink
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010
    This was just a bad example. Blame it on my stroke brain
    listen to more classical music!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010
    Martijn wrote
    Timmer wrote
    I'm sure there have been some exceptions....I just can't think of any?


    I doubt it very much.
    Golden Compass did unexpectedly well in Europe, yet the sequels were aborted in light of the very poor US performance.
    James Bond is on hiatus due to numbers in the US dropping to an all-time low for the franchise 9even though Bond is still pretty big elsewhere).

    That's just off the top of my head.
    I'd be hard-presssed to come up with one US produced film that saved a studio or a franchise by doing well abroad and poorly domestically!


    Indeed, I've wracked my brain ( what's left of it ) and can come up with NOTHING.

    Maybe I'm thinking of TV series?
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010 edited
    sdtom wrote
    This was just a bad example. Blame it on my stroke brain


    No worries dear friend, just debating here smile
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010
    Not upset in the least
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010
    Timmer wrote
    Maybe I'm thinking of TV series?


    Hmmmm..it's the same though, isn't it?
    Was any US TV series ever extended because of good viewing numbers in Europe against bad ones in the US?
    Crikey, most (poor performance) shows even get canceled before they reach domestic syndication, leave alone reach Europe. slant
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010
    One possible exception did just cross my mind: it sometimes appears to me that many of HBO's series may ...well, maybe not Europe-centric, but very much geared towards the foreign market rather than the domestic ones?
    Rome, Deadwood, Spartacus... these all seem much more in line with European sentiments and taste than current commercial US ones?

    (That said, they'll still pull the plug when the show won't fly domestically: Deadwood and Carnivále being two lamented examples. slant )
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
  23. As far as I know Rome got cancelled, because the story arc was over and it didn't make sense to make another seasons?
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010
    And because the music was crap :P
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2010 edited
    PawelStroinski wrote
    As far as I know Rome got cancelled, because the story arc was over and it didn't make sense to make another seasons?

    Your point being? confused

    Christodoulides wrote
    And because the music was crap :P

    Bollocks.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2010
    Over the top D confused I don't think a TV show ever got cancelled because of the music
    listen to more classical music!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2010
    sdtom wrote
    Over the top D confused I don't think a TV show ever got cancelled because of the music


    D didn't mean anything more than that he didn't like the music, personally I thought it was good, more in keeping to what the music was like, no sympony orchesdrtas ala Rozsa, a bit more intimate.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2010
    smile
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2010
    I noticed, Brazil's goalkeeper looks quite like Giacchino. tongue

    Great match, good performance by both teams (including a lot of fouls), but Netherlands prevailed thanks to their uber strong defense.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2010
    Well done to Netherlands who put the clog into Brazil, I really hope you go on to win punk
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt

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