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Similar Sounding Cues (aka Copy and Paste)

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    • CommentAuthortjguitar
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    BTW, in the case of Depe Blue Sea vs CoD. I probably enjoy the Deep Blue Sea more, maybe cause I heard it first, I'm not sure, but with Greatest Game and Legends, the Greatest Game theme is just so much more appealing to me, the "altered notes" make all the difference, in my opinion.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007 edited
    BobdH wrote
    Isn't this whole 300 thing already beaten to death? rolleyes


    Did that ever stop anyone here, Bob?

    Whatsay we talk bout Lair some more?
    biggrin
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Don't even get me to create clips between LAIR and JOHN WILLIAMS stuff! spin dizzy wink
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Wow! Less than 50 seconds!
    Hook, line and sinker!

    Cheers, D.! biggrin punk
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthortjguitar
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    dude, Lair's been done, I got Erik to concede that Lair (a track he provided) was ripping off BRIAN TYLER'S TERROR TRACT, when he claimed it was a rip from the INCREDIBLES.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    tjguitar wrote
    dude, Lair's been done


    No kidding.. wink
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    tjguitar wrote
    dude, Lair's been done, I got Erik to concede that Lair (a track he provided) was ripping off BRIAN TYLER'S TERROR TRACT, when he claimed it was a rip from the INCREDIBLES.


    Whoa! I said what? I agreed that all three themes were pretty much identical. I thought Incredibles and you thought Terror Tract.

    -Erik-

    PS - The Ludlows is far superior to Tyler's mess of the theme.
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Ah come on, "mess of the theme"? How's that? It sounds perfectly fine to me, and it's rather beautiful. How is it a "mess" in any way?
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007 edited
    Erik Woods wrote

    PS - The Ludlows is far superior to Tyler's mess of the theme.


    Ah, come on! Mess of a theme? How come it is that? It sounds very nice and quite beautiful to me, i can't understand you here.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    tjguitar wrote
    BTW, in the case of Depe Blue Sea vs CoD. I probably enjoy the Deep Blue Sea more, maybe cause I heard it first, I'm not sure, but with Greatest Game and Legends, the Greatest Game theme is just so much more appealing to me, the "altered notes" make all the difference, in my opinion.


    But what about the orchestrations... they are so, very, very, very similar. Even the same timings. Without Legends of the Fall Tyler would have NO THEME to speak of.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Christodoulides wrote
    Erik Woods wrote

    PS - The Ludlows is far superior to Tyler's mess of the theme.


    Because it's Tyler screwing up Horner's theme. It sound like the orchestra is playing the WRONG notes.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007 edited
    ^ How's that for an explanation rolleyes wink
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthortjguitar
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Erik Woods wrote
    tjguitar wrote
    BTW, in the case of Depe Blue Sea vs CoD. I probably enjoy the Deep Blue Sea more, maybe cause I heard it first, I'm not sure, but with Greatest Game and Legends, the Greatest Game theme is just so much more appealing to me, the "altered notes" make all the difference, in my opinion.


    But what about the orchestrations... they are so, very, very, very similar. Even the same timings. Without Legends of the Fall Tyler would have NO THEME to speak of.

    -Erik-


    Unfortunately, I'm not very educated in orchestrations. I'm not sure what you mean by timings? The rhythm doesn't sound identical to me. Why is it so impossible that he could have come up with it on his own?
  14. That was personal, Erik biggrin

    Wouldn't call it a mess of a theme. But it isn't a particularly amazing variation either biggrin And the way it comes to Pearl Harbor later is rather peculiar.
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    tjguitar wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    tjguitar wrote
    BTW, in the case of Depe Blue Sea vs CoD. I probably enjoy the Deep Blue Sea more, maybe cause I heard it first, I'm not sure, but with Greatest Game and Legends, the Greatest Game theme is just so much more appealing to me, the "altered notes" make all the difference, in my opinion.


    But what about the orchestrations... they are so, very, very, very similar. Even the same timings. Without Legends of the Fall Tyler would have NO THEME to speak of.

    -Erik-


    Unfortunately, I'm not very educated in orchestrations. I'm not sure what you mean by timings? The rhythm doesn't sound identical to me. Why is it so impossible that he could have come up with it on his own?


    Hum Horner's theme over Tylers...

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007 edited
    On a side note: i can't believe people are actually using examples from Horner to argue over originality in film music.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Christodoulides wrote
    ^ How's that for an explanation rolleyes wink


    Pretty self-explanatory if you ask me.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  18. Well quality of the composer is at hand here.

    I mean, WHOSE rip we are discussing here? biggrin
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Erik Woods wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    ^ How's that for an explanation rolleyes wink


    Pretty self-explanatory if you ask me.

    -Erik-


    Keyword is "self".

    I bet we can ask 10 neutral listeners on their opinion on Tyler's theme and not even one will come up with the word "mess" as a description.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthortjguitar
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Erik, go in mmuk chat :P
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Christodoulides wrote
    On a side note: i can't believe people are actually using examples from Horner to argue over originality in film music biggrin tongue


    So, where did Horner rip off The Ludlow's from? And I want examples DAMMIT!!! And this is NOT an argument about what Horner rips off or not... it's about Tyler.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  22. I would also disagree it's not a mess. Though people used to classic Horner themes may be rather pissed by this. And the Tyler theme somehow does end up to be inferior. Not Tyler's fault. Hard to write something as good as James Horner's IMHO best work (Braveheart loses this spot just because of the similar sound and being a year later).
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Christodoulides wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    ^ How's that for an explanation rolleyes wink


    Pretty self-explanatory if you ask me.

    -Erik-


    Keyword is "self".

    I bet we can ask 10 neutral listeners on their opinion on Tyler's theme and not even one will come up with the word "mess" as a description.


    Because they haven't heard Horner's theme. Too me, it's friggin' mess or a goddamn TERRIBLE variation of Horner's theme. It's awful and shameless.

    -Erik-

    PS - This arguing is starting to really up my number of posts!!! YEAH!!! Now I see how you did it Demetris!!
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
    • CommentAuthortjguitar
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Erik, can you think of a single composer who has not ripped off?
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    I have no idea what the argument is about any more, but I haven't had so much fun since I last watched the World Wrestling Federation! biggrin

    Sorry, I'll butt out and relegate myself to "amused spectator" modus.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    tjguitar wrote
    Erik, can you think of a single composer who has not ripped off?


    I already addressed this earlier. I'm not going to repeat myself. Go back a page and find it.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  27. Yes. That was my case to, Erik.

    Perhaps the only good Brian Tyler does to me tongue biggrin
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Another one...

    The Madwoman Of Chaillot - "End Title" (Michael J. Lewis)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip42.mp3

    Return of the Jedi - "Luke and Leia" (John Williams)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip43.mp3

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
    • CommentAuthortjguitar
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2007
    I'm hearing Mark Mancina's Speed in "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" from David Arnold's Godzilla.

    You hear this too, Erik?
  30. tjguitar wrote
    Although, the Jurassic Park- Henry V one is pretty damn close. Yet nobody cares if the almighty JW does a little quote.


    Well, one might say the good outweighs the bad in Williams case. He could probably steal Chopsticks and make it sound better. wink
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am

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