Superman to get the Zack Snyder treatment

I think Williams' rhythmic march improved it ten fold. I got GOOSEBUMPS when he streaks past the screen and Williams music carries him off.

Look, how's this? I'll wait until this is on DVD, rip an action sequence and then lay some Williams music over top the way I did with Batman Begins. Then we'll see if Williams' more positive tone can match the gritty, dark and serious world of Christopher Nolan. Remember there is more to Williams' score then the positive march!

-Erik-

That was presented as Star Wars-like family melodrama, not a serious drama. I was actually disappointed by this presentation, in the actual mythology Loki is quite an interesting character and I feel like they massively simplified him in the typical Hollywood way.



I didn't feel that this was ever seriously confronted in the Iron Man films, it was just there in the background, much like genocide and racism and other profound issues are floating around in the background of the "fun" Star Wars OT. It's not so much the issues themselves that make a movie "fun/light" or "serious/dark" so much as the tone and how or how deeply they are presented.


See above, although honestly I'm not sure exactly what you're referencing here, as I don't remember this being a serious motivation for any character in The Avengers.



Probably true. But again, tone more than actual subject matter seems to be the deciding factor IMO. People were criticizing the Man of Steel trailer for being too dark/serious. I'm saying I don't mind if the DC films (I don't think Green Lantern counts because I'm sure everyone wishes the film had never been made) continue to play with the dark/serious tone, since Marvel is staying far away from it so far.

Bane and the Joker are the stuff of nightmares, or at least as much of such as you can reasonably fit into a PG13 film. Loki on the otherhand is laughable (though Whedon wrote him better than whoever wrote Thor and will hopefully continue to add layers to his motives) and the Iron Man villains are pure cliche.

The red skull was the fascism case. My point was merely that these are always about some kind of bogeyman that connects to something, the real issue - as you say - is whether one is allowed to make a serious comment with anything other than a sense of utter seriousness.

To be honest, Erik, I didn't think the Williams music fit the tone of the trailer all that well. It felt at odds with it (disregarding the obvious synchronization difficulties from the march onwards). But thanks for the experiment!

It just proved to me that this is a whole other take on the character that deserves to be just that -- a new take! Screw the optimism, black/white dichotomies and the unabashed heroism. That worked well in the 1978 film, but that doesn't seem to be what this is about -- a more nuanced portrait of the 'man behind the mask', so to speak. I think the franchise desperately needed that in order to stay relevant.

I thought that the original point of the exercise was to demonstrate how wrong the filmmakers were to not use the John Williams' Superman March/Theme? My opinion is that the tone of the trailer was to promote the gray makeup of Kal-El, not single-sided optimism. And, tonally, positive "sounding" music kinda negates the "dark, serious" and stark visuals, which only serve to muddle the message.

And speaking of the BB edits you did. The best one was the Trevor Jones one. But given how ineffectual the Molossus cue was for that chase sequence, any action cues would have functioned better.

And about Batman, I'm a big fan of how effective Zimmer's Batman theme became in TDKR. The evolution of the once brave, brass notes into a muted, distanced and wavering self.... excellence.

Boy, did you ever miss the point? I never expected the film makers to use Williams' theme and nor do I hope for them to use it in this film. This is a reboot so when Zimmer scores the picture I expect something completely different.

I just wanted to see/hear how the old Superman music would work. I liked it and I'm getting a lot of twitter feedback from various people saying that they liked it as well.

-Erik-

Don't forget ROBOCOP.

And Batman Begins, and Super.

Eh, it was just long enough.

Talking of ROBOCOP and having seen recent pictures of the remake doesn't exactly fill me with joy

To be honest I don't even see a point in remaking it, it was never broke in the first place ( as long as you discount Robo 3 and the TV series ), yet another display of imaginative originality by the film makers.

Right, and don't forget the whole movie was pretty much about the origin of the Joker and how he basically created Batman.

Reminds me that a friend of mine said the film should have been called The Joker.