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  1. I will if anyone thinks it will be of any interest!
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2011
    A little academic but I for one think it has merit. I'm sure Thor will agree.
    listen to more classical music!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2011
    I'd be interested to read it Alan, but in your own time, get better first.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  2. One of the things I am amazed by is how well some of the segments from the symphonies fits with the images. The music hits its marks better than some composers today writing for film. I am assuming that the film was not edited in any way in order to fit the music.

    The composer's music sets the tone for the scenes remarkably well. Some of the edits are a bit heavy-handed but this was done for a time when there was no chance to review a film over and over again.

    I pity anyone who has bought the dodgy Soundtrack Factory release of the soundtrack to this film expecting to hear Meisel's score. What I believe you get is in fact a rip of the audio track featuring the Shostakovich score. There is a raw and earthy feel to the versions used in the film, and some of the tempos feel better than the versions I have, but the sound is terrible.

    I need to see if I can find a version of the film with the Meisel score. I wonder if there is a restored DVD with both scores available. That would be interesting.
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2011
    Alan, I was wondering if you were aware that Eisenstein's original intention was to have a new score written for the film every 20 years. The last version was by The Pet Shop Boys which I haven't heard, though I'd like to.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  3. Yes, I had read of the director's idea. And I have heard the clips from The Pet Shop Boys but I left it at that.

    I am not sure I see the sense in the 20 year re-imagining. I would have thought that eventually there would be a "disconnect" between image and music (or sound knowing musical trends). Maybe that juxtaposition is something that would be of merit to some people.
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2011
    It's very hard to imagine exactly what was in the mind of a soviet film maker in the 1920's, I've only read that statement but nothing further and in-depth.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  4. Me neither. I wonder if someone from that era could have imagined our viewing habits today or our audiovisual technology?
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  5. I suppose watching something like Metropolis gives an idea of how people thought technology would advance. But usually, these projections forward are bedded in the current technology available.
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2011
    Hard to imagine. 20 years ago I couldn't see a time where we could talk to anyone in any part of the world with a tiny hand held phone that's also a camera and a device with all information at your finger tips etc etc, but then, I'm hardly ( biggest understatement ever ) a DiVinci or an Isaac Newton.
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2011
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    I suppose watching something like Metropolis gives an idea of how people thought technology would advance. But usually, these projections forward are bedded in the current technology available.


    Exactly. As a kid I thought the future would be travelling in rocket planes, wearing silver suits, moon bases and girls with purple hair. wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  6. You "thought", I only "wished". Now there is a personality test!

    I was thinking how the phone has been portrayed in sci-fi films. I suppose miniaturised communicators ala Star Trek echo mobile phones but I can't think of anything with such functionality in such a small size as today's mobile phones.
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeMar 19th 2011
    http://www.oldies.com/search/keywords.c … 2&y=18

    Available
    Tom smile
    listen to more classical music!

  7. Thanks Tom.

    From my own looking it seems that what I'd want is available as Region 1 DVD rather than in Region 2. There's a 2-DVD Kino release that (I think) has a re-recorded Meisel score (a bit like the Metropolis DVD I have).
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  8. I've been going through the various Shostakovich symphonies, trying to marry up what goes where in the movie. The cutting has ranged from using large segments of specific movements from symphonies through to snipping out short sequences to try for specific sequences in the film. The 11th Symphony seems to be the symphony that is used the most out of those used. And, as I think I mentioned somewhere, I'm amazed sometimes how well Shostakovich's music fits the action on screen. Would anyone know if the film was edited at all when the new music was added?

    I've now gone and made my own CD of the various cuts and edits that's a close approximation of what's heard in the movie, though it doesn't all fit on one CD. Although the film is a shade over 70 minutes in length I have a total of 82 minutes (that may fit on one CD if all the pits and grooves shove up?) because there was at least one sequence early on that had a lot of edits that I got lost with and so just used an entire sequence. And, there's a bit of a difference with the various performances of all the symphonies, but I'm happy with that.

    Here's some detail if anyone is interested Numbers are track numbers followed by the times from the Youtube video):

    01 - "The Ship / Sleeping Sailors"
    00:00 – 03:19 – 5th, First movement : 3:19

    02 - "The Men and The Maggots / The Canteen" - this was a sequence where I just took an 11-minute sequence from the symphony rather than edit it down.
    03:39 – 09:32 – 11th, Second movement : 5:53

    03 - "The Soup / The Ship's Store / Our Daily Bread"
    09:32 – 14:10 – 10th, Third movement : 4:38

    04 - "The Deck / The Men Divided"
    14:20 – 19:55 – 10th, First movement : 5:35

    05 - "The Condemned Sailors / The Priest"
    19:55 – 23:09 – 10th, First movement : 3:14

    06 - "The Mutiny / Assault On The Priest"
    23:40 – 24:50 – 10th, Third movement : 1:10
    24:50 – 25:56 – 10th, Third movement : 1:06

    07 - "Brothers, Victory Is Ours! / Vakulinchuk Shot"
    25:56 – 29:48 – 4th, Third movement : 3:52

    08 - "The Death of Vakulinchuk / To Odessa / Vakulinchuk Laid Out"
    29:50 – 31:18 – 11th, Second movement : 1:28
    31:18 – 32:36 – 11th, Second movement : 1:18
    32:36 – 33:05 – 11th, Second movement : 0:29

    09 - "The Harbor of Odessa / The Uprising Gathers Pace"
    33:05 – 41:45 – 11th, Third movement : 8:40

    10 - "The People of Odessa March / Workers United"
    41:45 – 43:36 – 11th, Fourth movement : 1:51
    43:36 – 44:00 – 11th, Fourth movement : 0:24

    11 - "The Odessa Flotilla Greets The Potemkin"
    44:07 – 48:33 – 5th, Second movement : 4:26

    12 - "The Odessa Steps"
    48:33 – 52:16 – 11th, Second movement : 3:43
    52:16 – 52:48 – 11th, First movement : 0:32
    52:48 – 55:12 – 5th, Third movement : 2:24

    13 - "The Reply To The Massacre"
    55:12 – 55:50 – 4th, First movement : 0:38

    14 - "Stormy Meetings"
    55:55 – 57:25 – 4th, Third movement : 1:30

    15 - "Restless Night"
    57:25 – 1:01:11 – 4th, Third movement : 3:46

    16 - "The Squadron Sighted / All Hands On Deck"
    1:01:12 – 1:02:54 – 10th, First movement : 1:42
    1:02:54 – 1:03:07 – 11th, First movement : 0:13
    1:03:07 – 1:05:05 – 11th, Second movement : 1:58

    17 - "Full Steam Ahead!"
    1:05:12 – 1:08:45 – 8th, Third movement : 3:33

    18 - "Brothers!"
    1:08:51 – 1:12:51 – 5th, Fourth movement : 4:00

    Taking a listen to both Meisel's version of the Odessa Steps sequence and what was used from Shostakovih's material it seems to me that Meisel's more rhythmic music seems to emphasise the advancing troops from beginning to end. However, the Shostakovich's music highlights the fleeing of the people in the face of the advancing troops.

    I'm hoping to have a listen to both and see how both scores work in the film.
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeApr 14th 2011
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2011
    http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2011/07/03/p … stakovich/

    I've included the dies irae and theremin tracks.
    Tom
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2011
    http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/n … stakovich/

    A new release of his New Babylon silent score.
    Tom
    listen to more classical music!
  9. You managed to get there in the end! wink
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2011
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    You managed to get there in the end! wink


    It took a bit of time. I've yet to see the film and doubt that it will ever happen.
    Tom
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2011
    Ironically I'm listening to another score right now that also has long references to the Marseillaise. A very popular film if one would care to guess.
    Tom
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2011
    The Gadfly is going to be my latest article.
    Tom
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2011
    AWESOME! I love Gadfly! IMHO, his best film score.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2011
    Erik Woods wrote
    AWESOME! I love Gadfly! IMHO, his best film score.

    -Erik-


    A great score but by that criteria that makes his symphonies SUPER AWESOME....which they are!
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2011
    Indeed! His music as a whole is fucking super amazing awesome!

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2011
    i have 4 different recordings of the gadfly so I'll have to listen to each and decide which is the best.
    tom
    listen to more classical music!
  10. sdtom wrote
    i have 4 different recordings of the gadfly so I'll have to listen to each and decide which is the best.
    tom

    I will be interested which version you prefer.
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2011
    right now my choice is the melodiya recording but that could change.
    tom
    listen to more classical music!
  11. sdtom wrote
    right now my choice is the melodiya recording but that could change.
    tom

    Is this a Russian label?
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  12. sdtom wrote
    right now my choice is the melodiya recording but that could change.
    tom

    As you may remember, I have the Khachaturian/USSR Cinema Symphony Orchestra (EMI) version. But I would be interested to hear any comments you have on the Grin/Berlin Radio Symphony Orchestra (Capriccio) version (if you have it).
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