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      CommentAuthorchristopher
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2012 edited
    MEN IN BLACK 3 - Danny Elfman

    First listen.

    Edit: Finished up. Not really my kind of score. I'm not a fan of electric guitar with orchestra. Most of this was okay, though the first half was pretty forgettable. I liked "Mission Accomplished" toward the end, though.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2012
    NP: KRAKOW FILM MUSIC FESTIVAL SAMPLER (various)

    2CD set that I was given during the Krakow festival earlier this year. Lots of great stuff here. I prefer the calmer material on the first disc more than the action material on the second.
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2012
    PawelStroinski wrote
    Brian Tyler - The Expendables

    Too long an album, boring underscore, far from brilliant thematic material which is a combination of Goldsmith's Rambo 2 theme with Horner's Uncommon Valor chord progressions, but the best action music along Eagle Eye, I'd say.


    There was only one good cue among the rest of the noise!

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2012 edited
    NP : 633 SQUADRON - Ron Goodwin



    If you've never heard the theme to this, you really MUST CHECK IT OUT! punk
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  1. Elliot Goldenthal - Interview with the Vampire

    Wow, just wow. And yes, it's my first listen.
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2012
    PawelStroinski wrote
    Elliot Goldenthal - Interview with the Vampire

    Wow, just wow. And yes, it's my first listen.


    Tell me you haven't head MICHAEL COLLINS either..!
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  2. Collins I've adored for years. This and the Batman scores are the only major things I haven't listened to before, I think. Oh, and Sphere

    With all the love for Alien3, my favourite Goldenthal work stays to be Heat.
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
  3. Erik Woods wrote
    PawelStroinski wrote
    Brian Tyler - The Expendables

    Too long an album, boring underscore, far from brilliant thematic material which is a combination of Goldsmith's Rambo 2 theme with Horner's Uncommon Valor chord progressions, but the best action music along Eagle Eye, I'd say.


    There was only one good cue among the rest of the noise!

    -Erik-


    I kinda slid over that. Even Darkness Falls is noise to me, so generally I find Brian Tyler noise. I like his orchestration abilities, but I don't like his almost non-existent thematic writing, I must say. It's just not memorable at all, what he tries to pass as a theme. The guy should be an orchestrator/arranger, not a fully-fledged composer. He can arrange and perform, but as a composer, I think he's much weaker than people who don't get enough work. Sometimes I try to imagine what a guy like Christopher Lennertz would have done with something like Fast Five.
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2012
    PawelStroinski wrote
    Collins I've adored for years. This and the Batman scores are the only major things I haven't listened to before, I think. Oh, and Sphere

    With all the love for Alien3, my favourite Goldenthal work stays to be Heat.


    What about SPHERE?

    PawelStroinski wrote
    Sometimes I try to imagine what a guy like Christopher Lennertz would have done with something like Fast Five.


    I Wonder what Lennertz ever wrote to make you all stick him out of the bunch...how is he original?
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2012 edited
    Listen to "Hop" and when you are done gagging, crying, beating your head against the wall, etc, then try to keep saying that Lennertz would be better than Tyler...

    Which is not to say that Lennertz hasn't done some really good stuff. But so has Tyler.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2012
    It always baffles me why some people are so into Lennertz as a "promising star" in film music. Yeap he is a great guy, excellent personality and great to talk to, but nothing he wrote (up to this year that is, i've heard it all) is up to those imaginable standards. Certainly not superior to Brian Tyler.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  4. Scribe wrote
    Listen to "Hop" and when you are done gagging, crying, beating your head against the wall, etc, then try to keep saying that Lennertz would be better than Tyler...

    Which is not to say that Lennertz hasn't done some really good stuff. But so has Tyler.


    What now? What part of this is so bad you have to beat your head against the wall?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd4mjC91S8k

    It's no Jerry Fucking Goldsmith, but then again -- never is Johnny Williams or Alan Silvestri. Elfman hints aside.
    The views and opinions of Ford A. Thaxton are his own and do not necessarily reflect the ones of ANYONE else.
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2012 edited
    justin boggan wrote
    What now? What part of this is so bad you have to beat your head against the wall?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd4mjC91S8k


    The first cue was kind of decent...its the hour of almost non-stop mickey-mousing that comes afterwards that can induce head-beating.

    Not doing mickey-mousing is one of Tyler's strong points...even in something like Lego Universe he manages to mostly do interesting melodies rather than mickey-mousing...though it might be a bit too celtic for D...
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  5. From the previous thread...

    Timmer:

    NP : MIDNIGHT COWBOY - John Barry & Various Artists



    A classic score by Barry who also supervised the songs, this is another Barry score where i would so love to have the film tracks.

    Oh, and speaking of my beloved sound of 'mysterioso' scoring here's a great track from the score...

    SCIENCE FICTION

    ...music for a film within the film ( and a very grim moment in the film indeed ), can anyone think of any other films where the composer has scored a film within a film?


    Alexander courage did a fantastic cue in "Explorers" to a monster movie at a drive-in theater. I browsed quickly through his IMDB scoring filmography to see if he had any films like that on his resume so I could hear more stuff like that, but didn't see anything.

    I couldn't find a Youtube video, and Intrada had no sample up.
    The views and opinions of Ford A. Thaxton are his own and do not necessarily reflect the ones of ANYONE else.
  6. Demetris wrote
    It always baffles me why some people are so into Lennertz as a "promising star" in film music. Yeap he is a great guy, excellent personality and great to talk to, but nothing he wrote (up to this year that is, i've heard it all) is up to those imaginable standards. Certainly not superior to Brian Tyler.


    The way he orchestrated his Medal of Honor has much more thought than I think anything Tyler has done. Yes, he does it ably, yes it's complex, but in the end, it's very, very messy and he records better than Zimmer obviously, so it's not the mix's fault. Lennertz has never gotten an action movie, really, so we can't say how he would combine electronics with a proper orchestra.

    Brian Tyler has much less substance than any action cue in The Dark Knight Rises. And that IS saying something. So he changes meter a lot (so does Hans, actually), he does well with dissonance (every contemporary classically trained composer does that), has his own rhythmic patterns, which sadly get more and more derivative, because he repeats himself as much as James Horner or Zimmer does, but the thing is, he is far younger than both. He's not exactly brisking with creativity and he never was. He was praised early in his career because he was referencing Jerry Goldsmith. When he does the same with RCP sound, he is suddenly deeply criticized by *many* former supporters, which I find a bit hypocritical.

    Tyler is loud and noisy, has little substance to his music. He is passionate about the genre, so I think temp-track love is not just on the side of the producers. What he references in his main Expendables theme is basically a combination of classic action music of the 1980s put through a modern filter (the bass line screams early James Horner music, namely especially Uncommon Valor, the rising brass motif is basically a rip-off of one of Goldsmith's Rambo themes). It's great that he's a fan like us, it's great that he has the passion to actually write, but at the end of the day, the truth is that he writes orchestrally complex music which doesn't have much meaning in and of itself not because he is intellectually dumb, you can't be if you get to finish Harvard of all places, but because he loves the basic idea of getting the right tempo and writing some orchestral mayhem just for the heck of it. I can't fuly get his type of thinking, I'm afraid. To the point that I think that he misses the subtext sometimes, because he simply cares about the fun and delivering something professionally written rather than professionally thought out.

    And I went through the guy's whole career, basically.
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2012
    Lennertz > Tyler by a gazillion miles. No contest!

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2012
    And that's a fact, right?
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  7. Yes. It's in the some what soon to be posted Undeniable Film Score Truths of Life list.
    The views and opinions of Ford A. Thaxton are his own and do not necessarily reflect the ones of ANYONE else.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2012 edited
    Demetris wrote
    And that's a fact, right?


    Based on Lennertz's Dogs of War theme alone, you know it!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5bRi_7W … re=related

    The entire European Assault score is is sublime.

    Also, his score to America! is outstanding. The track "True Inspiration" brings tears to my eyes.
    http://www.christopherlennertz.com/projects/america/

    Meet The Spartans is a surprisingly intelligent score to a really stupid film.
    http://www.christopherlennertz.com/proj … -spartans/

    Gun is a KILLER western score!
    http://www.christopherlennertz.com/projects/gun/

    Saint Sinner, to me at least, is one of the finest horror scores I've heard. Just listen to "Battle with Munkar."
    http://www.christopherlennertz.com/proj … nt-sinner/

    His video game to to Quantum of Solace is, IMO, better than Arnold's score for the film
    http://www.christopherlennertz.com/proj … of-solace/

    Warhawk - Big, epic dog fighting music.
    http://www.christopherlennertz.com/projects/warhawk/

    He's done so much good stuff. Just click through his projects at http://www.christopherlennertz.com/projects/ and immerse yourself in his talents.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  8. And I could give at least 5 semantic mistakes Tyler made with Goldsmith's Rambo material in his score.
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2012
    Tyler's Rambo is terrible.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2012 edited
    Erik Woods wrote
    Gun is a KILLER western score!
    http://www.christopherlennertz.com/projects/gun/


    Sublime punk
    It so deserves a proper release sad
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2012
    NP : THE VIKINGS - Mario Nascimbene



    Fantastic score but the sound is horrible, what a shame.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2012
    I actually love Tyler's Rambo and think it more enjoyable than the Goldsmith scores, though I do like the latter also. I feel the same way about the films...the original three are too cheesy (well, 2 and 3 more than 1) and the new one is more believable (ish) and emotionally grounded. I guess that's just the generational difference between someone growing up with 2000s films versus earlier (actually I grew up in the 90s but I didn't start watching films until the 2000s).
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  9. Scribe wrote
    I actually love Tyler's Rambo and think it more enjoyable than the Goldsmith scores, though I do like the latter also. I feel the same way about the films...the original three are too cheesy (well, 2 and 3 more than 1) and the new one is more believable (ish) and emotionally grounded. I guess that's just the generational difference between someone growing up with 2000s films versus earlier (actually I grew up in the 90s but I didn't start watching films until the 2000s).


    I need to find just the right thread bomb to describe the EPIC FAIL.
    The views and opinions of Ford A. Thaxton are his own and do not necessarily reflect the ones of ANYONE else.
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2012
    Please keep the personal insults on forums that welcome such things...
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  10. So, in other words this forum -- incase some of you forgot things, for example, handed to me.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2012
    justin boggan wrote
    So, in other words this forum -- incase some of you forgot things, for example, handed to me.


    confused
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorlp
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2012 edited
    NP: A Symphony of British Music - Music For the Closing Ceremony - David Arnold

    There are 3 cues that David has written, (along with producing the whole thing). It's great
    Parade of the Athletes is a (shortened version?) excellent orchestral composition in the grand old British orchestral idiom. Medal Ceremony sounds like a page out of David's electro-pop-orchestral handbook, love it. Spirit of the Flame is gorgeous and defiantly modern. Starting out with a great chorus piece (somewhat similar to Liberi Fatali), then recalling his bombastic Die Another Day work, introducing a bevy of heavy beats and guitar over string/brass linewith, lots of electronics sprinkling about. There are some great melodic material throughout his short (or is it shortened?) cues. They stands out, but in the scheme of the eclectic album, works well in context.
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2012
    Cool! So it's available! Where can you get this music?
    Kazoo