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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    Scribe wrote
    I think the way Zimmer captured the "Americana" naive hopeful heroic feeling without resorting to any of the expected Copland/Williams/etc tricks is absolutely brilliant and the mark of a true musical genius.


    Hmm, he's a very decent artist when he's given the proper direction, but a true musical genius? That's rather akin to saying God is love - stretching the word until it has no meaning left.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    Scribe wrote
    I think the way Zimmer captured the "Americana" naive hopeful heroic feeling without resorting to any of the expected Copland/Williams/etc tricks is absolutely brilliant and the mark of a true musical genius.


    Tricks? rolleyes

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    Erik Woods wrote
    Scribe wrote
    I think the way Zimmer captured the "Americana" naive hopeful heroic feeling without resorting to any of the expected Copland/Williams/etc tricks is absolutely brilliant and the mark of a true musical genius.


    Tricks? rolleyes

    -Erik-


    I did not mean it in a derogatory way.
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    Steven wrote
    Hmm, he's a very decent artist when he's given the proper direction, but a true musical genius? That's rather akin to saying God is love - stretching the word until it has no meaning left.


    No, I really think he's the greatest musician of his generation from a creativity standpoint. Others like Horner, Howard, etc are excellent at coming up with new arrangements of old trustworthy musical ideas and devices, but only Zimmer continues to successfully push the envelope and create new, fresh, musical ideas (i.e. tricks) that are both cerebrally fascinating and emotionally satisfying.
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  1. I'm sorry, everyone here knows that I am possibly the biggest Hans Zimmer fanboy on this forum since Jordi left, but I would seriously beg to differ. The last somehow innovative score he wrote was Inception. Here he is trying to find something new, but I'm afraid he hasn't achieved it with this score. While the narrative idea for the score is one of his best in recent years (it would be his best hadn't Inception existed), I am not very happy with how he handled the general idea of it.
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    I hear a number of new musical ideas in this score as well as loads of progressions on old ideas, but I guess because I only have 1500 or so albums I must be an idiotic musical virgin who has no idea what he's listening to or talking about...

    Maybe it should have had more kazoos.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    No, you just confuse your opinion with facts, and create odd straw men arguments if people happen to not agree.
    Not very cool. slant
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    Actually, you have to reach 2000 albums before you can properly analyse music. (2 CD sets still count as 1 unfortunately.)
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    Scribe wrote
    Maybe it should have had more kazoos.


    Apparently Marvel Studios is carefully weighing their musical response...
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorBregje
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    Jordi left?
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    A long, LONG time ago!

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    Martijn wrote
    No, you just confuse your opinion with facts, and create odd straw men arguments if people happen to not agree.
    Not very cool. slant


    Fine, since I don't feel like adding "in my opinion" after every single freaking sentence I write, I'll just shut the fuck up.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    Argh, Matt, why are you so combative?

    The POINT was that some people happen to not AGREE with your opinion (that Zimmer is the greatest musical genius etc.,etc.), which is quite fair and well warranted as long as it's done with at least a modicum of decorum and style...which it WAS!

    Why you feel the need to fly screaming off the rails with really weird statements that would suggest anyone here looks on you as a "musical virgin" who needs to "shut the fuck up"is QUITE beyond me.
    NO ONE is belittling you.
    In fact, looking at the thread above, no one is even ARGUING with you.

    Why would you fly off the handle like that?
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013 edited
    Scribe wrote
    Martijn wrote
    No, you just confuse your opinion with facts, and create odd straw men arguments if people happen to not agree.
    Not very cool. slant


    Fine, since I don't feel like adding "in my opinion" after every single freaking sentence I write, I'll just shut the fuck up.


    Ugh! rolleyes

    You don't see me flipping my lid when Steven disagrees with my personal selection of last great JNH score, do you? Sure, sometimes a conversation might get heated (Ralph, lp and a few others have witness my wrath :whip: )but no one is flinging personal insults or putting your opinions down. You have an opinion, which we ALL respect, while at the same time we all hope to your respect our opinions as well.

    How is it that we are still having this conversation after all these years?!

    confused slant shame

    -Erik-

    skyfall
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    Erik Woods wrote
    How is it that we are still having this conversation after all these years?!


    Because a good point bears repeating. beer


    skyfall


    James Hhhhhhhh...
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
  2. Martijn wrote
    Good review, Thomas.


    thanks Martijn, never have I seen 16 votes in just 3 hours. This score seems to be popular
    waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! Where's my nut? arrrghhhhhhh
  3. Scribe wrote
    "Bleak colorless action music"? What are you people listening to? confused

    Tracks like "If You Love These People" are the very reason I got into film music in the first place, and I would think you Thomas of all people would understand that...but you seem to have drunk the kool-aid too... sad


    well, I was very open minded. Mind you, I didn't listen to the clips at all, and I went to see the movie first, before listening to the music. I'm a big Zimmer fan, and he hasn't disappointed me much these past few years, but this is just no good.

    still, what do I know? It has already a rating of nearly 4 stars after 3 hours. wink
    waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! Where's my nut? arrrghhhhhhh
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013 edited
    The score hasn't quite grabbed me yet, but after a few more listen-throughs, it's starting to grow on me. In either case, I'm far, far away from the slaughter I've seen here and elsewhere (but here, in particular).
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    No! Pick up your pitchfork and join us!
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      CommentAuthorlp
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013 edited
    Erik Woods wrote
    Sure, sometimes a conversation might get heated (Ralph, lp and a few others have witness by wrath :whip: )

    skyfall


    HAH!

    Speaking of action music. Skyfall has some terrible action music. It's like David Arnold's action cues, without any excitement.

    The action cues in Man of Steel wasn't the best example of Zimmer's skill, but it is definitely the most thematic kind that he's ever done. The idea of actually surrounding the listener with drums by literally recording those percussions in a circle... love it.

    There are some excellent textures in the score, it didn't sound derivative and it suited the movie. And you also get actual themes, motifs and melodies and live instrumental solos even. OKAY! GOOD! That's actually more than I expected.

    I think that the rating should have been 3.5/4 stars, but hey, it's not my review.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    lp wrote
    Speaking of action music. Skyfall has some terrible action music. It's like David Arnold's action cues, without any excitement.


    False!

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    Skyfall! Finally we're back on topic.
  4. Steven wrote
    Skyfall! Finally we're back on topic.


    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pnZ6Q1wbJvs/U … large.jpeg
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorlp
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    Erik Woods wrote
    lp wrote
    Speaking of action music. Skyfall has some terrible action music. It's like David Arnold's action cues, without any excitement.


    False!

    -Erik-


    You're false.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    lp wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    lp wrote
    Speaking of action music. Skyfall has some terrible action music. It's like David Arnold's action cues, without any excitement.


    False!

    -Erik-


    You're false.


    That's not true.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  5. Erik Woods wrote
    lp wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    lp wrote
    Speaking of action music. Skyfall has some terrible action music. It's like David Arnold's action cues, without any excitement.


    False!

    -Erik-


    You're false.


    That's not true.

    -Erik-


    How very enlightening. rolleyes
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013 edited
    Captain Future wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    lp wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    lp wrote
    Speaking of action music. Skyfall has some terrible action music. It's like David Arnold's action cues, without any excitement.


    False!

    -Erik-


    You're false.


    That's not true.

    -Erik-


    How very enlightening. rolleyes


    ^ This is going to piss Steven off soooo much! biggrin

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    Qué? confused
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    Awwww... you aren't playing the multiple quote game correctly?

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
    Oh, I see. shame

    Apparently my reputation around here is known to everyone but me... dizzy