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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    NP : YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE - John Barry



    Marvin Hamlisch wrote the line Nobody Does It Better in tribute to John Barry.

    FACT!
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    Southall wrote
    Non-Stop - John Ottman

    Terrible.


    Like his entire output post 2000 and with few exceptions?
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    Erik Woods wrote
    Demetris wrote
    David OC wrote
    The Wolverine - Marco Beltrami

    Typically stacked with solid action cues. The filler material is mediocre. The first of the good bits, 'Logan's Run', is possibly the best of the lot with its unusual rhythmic, percussive orchestrations.


    I don't think that Beltrami, with the exception of Angel Eyes and the gorgeous I AM DINA, has a particular gift for melody. Now, action cues though, are his real forte. However, he rarely comes along as inspired as he was in the past anymore.


    Give me a break!

    -Erik-


    Which scores prove otherwise?
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    Southall wrote
    They've turned it into a film now and the good news is that Zimmer and Balfe are back to adapt their appalling music. Wonder if they'll send me a promo this time.


    Seriously, they're making a film out of this atrocity? Or are you joking?
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  1. Yeah, a Christ biography.
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014 edited
    No, Pawel i was sure it was obvious that i didn't mean the Bible itself but this specific cheesy and awful production.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  2. Demetris wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    Demetris wrote
    David OC wrote
    The Wolverine - Marco Beltrami

    Typically stacked with solid action cues. The filler material is mediocre. The first of the good bits, 'Logan's Run', is possibly the best of the lot with its unusual rhythmic, percussive orchestrations.


    I don't think that Beltrami, with the exception of Angel Eyes and the gorgeous I AM DINA, has a particular gift for melody. Now, action cues though, are his real forte. However, he rarely comes along as inspired as he was in the past anymore.


    Give me a break!

    -Erik-


    Which scores prove otherwise?

    A Good Day to Die Hard. FACT!!!!
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014 edited
    Demetris wrote
    No, Pawel i was sure it was obvious that i didn't mean the Bible itself but this specific cheesy and awful production.


    biggrin

    ...I'm pretty sure that's what Pawel meant. wink
  3. Yeah biggrin

    They're editing a cinematic feature out of the Christ episodes.
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    Demetris wrote
    Southall wrote
    Non-Stop - John Ottman

    Terrible.


    Like his entire output post 2000 and with few exceptions?


    Yes (and I'd throw pre 2000 in as well, but perhaps that's too cruel).
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    He's mostly generic and auto-pilotish. I never figured out what his style (if any) really is. And Superman Returns was one of the biggest disappointments i had with major scores.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    Edmund Meinerts wrote
    Demetris wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    Demetris wrote
    David OC wrote
    The Wolverine - Marco Beltrami

    Typically stacked with solid action cues. The filler material is mediocre. The first of the good bits, 'Logan's Run', is possibly the best of the lot with its unusual rhythmic, percussive orchestrations.


    I don't think that Beltrami, with the exception of Angel Eyes and the gorgeous I AM DINA, has a particular gift for melody. Now, action cues though, are his real forte. However, he rarely comes along as inspired as he was in the past anymore.


    Give me a break!

    -Erik-


    Which scores prove otherwise?

    A Good Day to Die Hard. FACT!!!!


    yeah
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014 edited
    face-palm-mt

    Southall and Demetris have gone back to Weirdtardedland again.

    JACK THE FUCKING GIANT SLAYER proves you both wrong concerning Ottman.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    Jack The Giant Slayer was one of last years best scores IMO.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    I found it both boring and grating.

    The only Ottman I've truly liked is his first one -- THE USUAL SUSPECTS.
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014 edited
    Thor wrote
    I found it both boring and grating.


    Of course.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    Erik Woods wrote
    face-palm-mt

    Southall and Demetris have gone back to Weirdtardedland again.

    JACK THE FUCKING GIANT SLAYER proves you both wrong concerning Ottman.

    -Erik-


    That's one of the few exceptions that was mentioned. It's not awful.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    Yeah, we did mention few exception numerous times.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  4. Jack the GIant Slayer had some great cues and not so great cues for me. I am not a huge John Ottman fan myself, to be honest.
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    Demetris wrote
    Yeah, we did mention few exception numerous times.


    And what are those few exceptions. He's had some misfires for sure but I'd say he's had a pretty solid track record post-2000.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  5. The gorgeous was the best thing about Superman Returns. The film wasn't that bad either. Only stubborn I-hate-all-prequels-and-sequels-that-deal-with-anything-I-liked-in-my-not-overcome-childhood-people can say otherwise.

    Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    I thought Superman Returns was actually quite good (the score, not the film) but generally I don't think that orchestral thing is a strength of Ottman at all. Much better when he's smaller-scale, "groovy" for want of a better word.
  6. Well, I am no Ottman expert at all but I have a nagging suspicion that people "want" his orchestral music to be mediocre at best because they regard him as an amateur composer. Maybe I'm wrong.

    Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    I think he writes some dynamite orchestral music. The issue I have with him at times is that his scores are pretty scatterbrained. A lack of cohesion. Supeman Returns is one of those all-over-the-bloody-place scores.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  7. Yeah. Even Jack the Giant Slayer had that issue. His music desperately needs some longer lines to it, but he does have great technique. I wonder sometimes if perhaps he isn't a better orchestrator than he is a composer.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    I didn't care much for SUPERMAN RETURNS, but I loved Ottman's major-mode rendition of "Can You Read My Mind", by far the best thing about that score.
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    Edmund Meinerts wrote
    Yeah. Even Jack the Giant Slayer had that issue. His music desperately needs some longer lines to it, but he does have great technique. I wonder sometimes if perhaps he isn't a better orchestrator than he is a composer.


    That's odd. The generic orchestration is one of the things that makes his music have little interest to me.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    Thor wrote
    I didn't care much for SUPERMAN RETURNS, but I loved Ottman's major-mode rendition of "Can You Read My Mind", by far the best thing about that score.


    Now I think you are just doing this to bait people. Seriously.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014 edited
    Southall wrote
    Edmund Meinerts wrote
    Yeah. Even Jack the Giant Slayer had that issue. His music desperately needs some longer lines to it, but he does have great technique. I wonder sometimes if perhaps he isn't a better orchestrator than he is a composer.


    That's odd. The generic orchestration is one of the things that makes his music have little interest to me.


    I don't think his orchestrations are generic. I think he comes up with some interesting ideas. I just don't think he knows how to clearly communicate those ideas sometimes or how to use them.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
    Erik Woods wrote
    Thor wrote
    I didn't care much for SUPERMAN RETURNS, but I loved Ottman's major-mode rendition of "Can You Read My Mind", by far the best thing about that score.


    Now I think you are just doing this to bait people. Seriously.

    -Erik-


    What? You don't agree? I didn't realize that was such a controversial proposition.
    I am extremely serious.