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  1. Well, this kind of music was present in many 70s children TV productions from Germany, Britain and elsewhere. The score is no symphonic monument but it's lovable for what it is if you are old enough to appreciate the nostalgia attached to it.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
  2. Just played: The Force Awakens (2015) - bow John Williams

    This was the second time I listened to the score on album. This time lying on the couch with headphones on, I gave it my full attention.
    What a revelation. Once you have become familiar with the new themes you can start to focus on the subtlety of it. Subtlety is there on every level: thematic development and musical storytelling, orchestration, execution. I remember Steven Spielberg's repetitive liner notes for various scores. "John Williams outdid himself." Or "A serious symphonic work." Only, the only repetitive thing here is the genius of the composer.
    It amazes me how Williams manages for the sixth time to stay true to the musical continuum he created with STAR WARS while at the same time give the score a distinct identity.
    It also amazes me how little need Williams has of his original themes to make this score sound like genuine Star Wars music. The only exception here is the "Force Theme" which is prominent and a major identity of the score. But take for example "Han and Leia": Another composer might have heralded the scene with a full blown rendition of "Han Solo and the Princess". Not so the maestro. A short quote only and he goes on to reflect upon how the relationship has transformed under the experience of loss and devastation.
    As James in his outstanding review noted: There is so much going on. Indeed there isn't a dull minute in the duration of this album.
    One thing that makes Williams' music for Star Wars in general special is the heartfelt compassion that he lends to the characters. He is taking this fantasy universe serious where it needs to be taken seriously. His music takes us to the heart of Star Wars, which does not consist of star ships or light sabres or telekinetic abilities. At the heart of Star Wars is the question what it means to lead a decent live. What it means to uphold love, loyalty and friendship in moments of temptation. The way John Williams contemplates this with the language of his music turns it into a moral force.

    Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeDec 20th 2015
    NP: HOME ALONE 2 (John Williams)

    For obvious reasons.
    I am extremely serious.
  3. Captain Future wrote
    Just played: The Force Awakens (2015) - bow John Williams

    This was the second time I listened to the score on album. This time lying on the couch with headphones on, I gave it my full attention.
    What a revelation. Once you have become familiar with the new themes you can start to focus on the subtlety of it. Subtlety is there on every level: thematic development and musical storytelling, orchestration, execution. I remember Steven Spielberg's repetitive liner notes for various scores. "John Williams outdid himself." Or "A serious symphonic work." Only, the only repetitive thing here is the genius of the composer.
    It amazes me how Williams manages for the sixth time to stay true to the musical continuum he created with STAR WARS while at the same time give the score a distinct identity.
    It also amazes me how little need Williams has of his original themes to make this score sound like genuine Star Wars music. The only exception here is the "Force Theme" which is prominent and a major identity of the score. But take for example "Han and Leia": Another composer might have heralded the scene with a full blown rendition of "Han Solo and the Princess". Not so the maestro. A short quote only and he goes on to reflect upon how the relationship has transformed under the experience of loss and devastation.
    As James in his outstanding review noted: There is so much going on. Indeed there isn't a dull minute in the duration of this album.
    One thing that makes Williams' music for Star Wars in general special is the heartfelt compassion that he lends to the characters. He is taking this fantasy universe serious where it needs to be taken seriously. His music takes us to the heart of Star Wars, which does not consist of star ships or light sabres or telekinetic abilities. At the heart of Star Wars is the question what it means to lead a decent live. What it means to uphold love, loyalty and friendship in moments of temptation. The way John Williams contemplates this with the language of his music turns it into a moral force.

    Volker


    I think what you said about Williams' compassion is an interesting point where I disagree with some of James' statements in recent years, where he says that Williams mostly underscores the actions and Horner underscored the emotions of the scene, when he was differing their approach.

    Williams is a fantastic composer on his own. He's got great orchestrations, everything. He's a complete orchestral artist who also has a knack for beautiful melodies. But, for me, the genius of John Williams is coming from the fact that he combines three traditions in his film writing and all of them are so relevant in the intricate approach he has for the medium.

    He comes from the Golden Age school of leitmotif writing (which itself is Wagnerian in origin of course and Williams' own love for Wagner is out of discussion), the classical tradition (which allows him not only to refer to Korngold, but also Holst and Stravinsky in Star Wars and yes, I know the Jawa scenes were temped with Rite of Springs originally), but there is another element that is about where he started as a composer. And it also leads me to an interesting observation I made some time ago about him and changes in cinema in 1977.

    While his approach in terms of themes is definitely Golden Age and both Lucas and Spielberg demanded that approach (the Star Wars, but also Indiana Jones films), his thinking, his intellectual approach, is, I think, Silver Age at heart. He may say what he wants about hitting synchronization points (which, as he said, is the hardest and most important element of writing a film score, if I understood him right), but the truth, to me, is that with his usage of themes he's not just underscoring events, but also the subtext of a scene. And that is the discovery of Silver Age. Most of the films he scored were Silver Age. I'm not just talking jazz scores, which I have to admit, I haven't heard. But it's about what's going on under the skin. And the combination of that thinking with leitmotivic approach leads to genius. Some people probably (I don't and I know others don't either) may think War Horse is a lesser score. It's not Spielberg's best film for sure, but think of the last shot. The close-up of the horse. What did Williams do? Used the war theme. In the last shot and the last moment of in-film music (not counting of course, end credits), Williams reminded us of what got the characters and the audience to the point they're in right now. The theme alone makes the ending bittersweet. They reunited, yes, but to get there, they had to go through hell.

    Now, to my observation about 1977. Williams scored three bigger films that year. Black Sunday was a typical Silver Age political-to-espionage thriller. Close Encounters of the Third Kind, in Spielberg's own words "Watergate meets aliens" started out as a conspiracy thriller, ended up with the sense of wonderment so characteristic of Spielberg's output in the 1980s. Star Wars is pure adventure. This is the slow turn from the grit of the 1970s to the New Adventure cinema of the 1980s.

    And that aesthetic turn in Hollywood was scored by no-one else than John Williams.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeDec 20th 2015
    The Hateful Eight

    Not the cheeriest music. Quite funny that Kylo Ren's theme is in it (it really is).
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2015
    NP : STAR WARS: THE FARCE AWAKENS - John Williams



    Have I travelled back in time? I bought a new John Williams Star Wars score and a brand new Ennio Morricone western score today from an actual shop where I paid with actual cash. spin
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  4. The Farce Awakens? Is that the sequel to Spaceballs?
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2015
    Timmer wrote
    Have I travelled back in time? I bought a new John Williams Star Wars score and a brand new Ennio Morricone western score today from an actual shop where I paid with actual cash. spin


    While youw ere there, did you also get that one groovy album from that band with all the shouting? That punk thing?
    Band is called the Sex Pistols, the album something with "balls", I think? Right tripping, man! Totally top of the pops!
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2015
    Martijn wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Have I travelled back in time? I bought a new John Williams Star Wars score and a brand new Ennio Morricone western score today from an actual shop where I paid with actual cash. spin


    While youw ere there, did you also get that one groovy album from that band with all the shouting? That punk thing?
    Band is called the Sex Pistols, the album something with "balls", I think? Right tripping, man! Totally top of the pops!


    What's this bollox you're talking about?
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2015
    Pffff. OK.
    Never mind.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2015
    biggrin
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  5. What also strikes me about TFA is, that Williams fully comes into his own. There is no cue that sounds like Stravinsky, R. Strauss, Holst of Orff. It's a Williams symphony in space.

    Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2015
    I still added the 20th Century Fox Fanfare at the start of it.
    Because I MISS it.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
  6. I thought about that too. But the prequel scores don't have it either. So I didn't.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2015
    Captain Future wrote
    What also strikes me about TFA is, that Williams fully comes into his own. There is no cue that sounds like Stravinsky, R. Strauss, Holst of Orff. It's a Williams symphony in space.

    Volker


    Actually, it does sound like Stravinsky... and Sibelius... and Part. But who cares. It's awesome!

    -Erik-
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  7. Sibelius. That's interesting. Also I didn't mean to say I didn't like those references I mentioned.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2015
    Captain Future wrote
    I thought about that too. But the prequel scores don't have it either. So I didn't.


    I added 'em there too (and the Phantom Menace 'Ultimate Edition' most certainly DOES have it! smile )
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
  8. Josh B wrote
    I remember a quote from Ned Rorem which basically said that every composer says all he has to say within the first decade of his career and after that, he's just rewriting himself. I think it's a bit of an overstatement (and certainly doesn't apply to the greats like Beethoven) but it's hard to deny that Williams has basically reached that point (and Goldsmith before him).


    But this is completely untrue about both Williams and Goldsmith, both of whom starting scoring TV and films in the 1950s. You might argue that they weren't really off to the races until the early to mid 60s, but even then the statement is completely false. Williams didn't become the Williams we all know and love until the late 70s and early 80s. And Goldsmith reinvented himself every decade it seems. UNDER FIRE (the score Steven mentioned just before your post (and I assume the score you were referring to when you posted?) wasn't written until 1983. Goldsmith had already been scoring major Hollywood films for 20+ years at that point.
  9. NP: STAR TREK The Motion Picture (1979) - Jerry Goldsmith

    Hell, yeah! When the human adventure was just beginning. "The Enterprise" must be one of the single most beautiful pieces of film music ever.

    smile Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2015 edited
    christopher wrote
    Josh B wrote
    I remember a quote from Ned Rorem which basically said that every composer says all he has to say within the first decade of his career and after that, he's just rewriting himself. I think it's a bit of an overstatement (and certainly doesn't apply to the greats like Beethoven) but it's hard to deny that Williams has basically reached that point (and Goldsmith before him).


    But this is completely untrue about both Williams and Goldsmith, both of whom starting scoring TV and films in the 1950s. You might argue that they weren't really off to the races until the early to mid 60s, but even then the statement is completely false. Williams didn't become the Williams we all know and love until the late 70s and early 80s. And Goldsmith reinvented himself every decade it seems. UNDER FIRE (the score Steven mentioned just before your post (and I assume the score you were referring to when you posted?) wasn't written until 1983. Goldsmith had already been scoring major Hollywood films for 20+ years at that point.


    I'd argue that there are plenty of signs of "contemporary" Williams even in the 60s stuff (like the "Duel of the Fates" ostinato in THE SECRET WAYS from 1960). And definitely by the late 60s and 1970, with scores such as HEIDI, JANE EYRE and STORIA DI UNA DONNA. But yeah -- JAWS in 1975 cemented him as one of the biggest film composers of his generation, as well as a particular "classical" sound we now associate with him.
    I am extremely serious.
  10. You can hear the more 1977-1987 Williams in his earlier stuff, but the first time I heard some of that music I was really surprised at how different it sounded. And Josh's point was that after the first decade composers just "rewrite" themselves. Even JANE EYRE wasn't composed in his first decade. Which of Williams's previous scores was he rewriting when he composed Jaws? Or Star Wars? I know Josh said his paraphrase was an overstatement, but I don't think it's even a little true in the case of Williams or Goldsmith.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2015
    christopher wrote
    You can hear the more 1977-1987 Williams in his earlier stuff, but the first time I heard some of that music I was really surprised at how different it sounded. And Josh's point was that after the first decade composers just "rewrite" themselves. Even JANE EYRE wasn't composed in his first decade. Which of Williams's previous scores was he rewriting when he composed Jaws? Or Star Wars? I know Josh said his paraphrase was an overstatement, but I don't think it's even a little true in the case of Williams or Goldsmith.


    Well, I don't agree with Josh that composers just re-write themselves after the first decade. There's constant evolution. But I do maintain that a lot of what we associate with John Williams these days (or, in fact, from 1975 onwards) was also present throughout the 60s. Even the loungey jazz scores had certain tracks that showed signs of the things to come -- like the "Gimpel's Robbery" cue from FITZWILLY, which could have been pulled right out of INDIANA JONES or something.
    I am extremely serious.
  11. Timmer wrote
    NP : STAR WARS: THE FARCE AWAKENS - John Williams



    Have I travelled back in time? I bought a new John Williams Star Wars score and a brand new Ennio Morricone western score today from an actual shop where I paid with actual cash. spin


    This is how it went today for me, pretty much identically: I went to the store, took the TFA and H8FUL8 cd's to the counter, and paid for them. Only thing different is I actually went with the times and paid with my card, like you know, a virtual transfer of digital funds. Due to that one detail it didn't feel like I was in the past. wink
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
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      CommentAuthorLSH
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2015
    NP: THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION - Thomas Newman

    If you've seen the movie, this album comes very close to retelling the story... purely through music. Amazing stuff.

    cool
  12. I love when an album presented out of film's sequence (as Newman never really programmed chronologically) tells the story of the film better. I can tell of at least one score (not this one, of course!) which does that better than the film itself!
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2015 edited
    LSH wrote
    NP: THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION - Thomas Newman

    If you've seen the movie, this album comes very close to retelling the story... purely through music. Amazing stuff.

    cool


    One of my all time top 5 films, the brilliant score is one of the major ingredients. This film deserved a bag full of Oscars and Newman should definitely have been one of those recipients.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorLSH
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2015
    Absolutely. The film is one of few where everything is done perfectly. The direction, the script, the casting, the acting, the production design, the cinematography, the music, the editing, and so on and so on...

    A perfect film and a fucking great one at that.
    • CommentAuthorJosh B
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2015
    christopher wrote
    You can hear the more 1977-1987 Williams in his earlier stuff, but the first time I heard some of that music I was really surprised at how different it sounded. And Josh's point was that after the first decade composers just "rewrite" themselves. Even JANE EYRE wasn't composed in his first decade. Which of Williams's previous scores was he rewriting when he composed Jaws? Or Star Wars? I know Josh said his paraphrase was an overstatement, but I don't think it's even a little true in the case of Williams or Goldsmith.


    I never said I agreed with the paraphrase. I think Williams and Goldsmith kept evolving until for whatever reason, they couldn't any longer. And even during their so-called stagnant phases, there's still a great deal to admire about their work. There's just not any surprises (for the most part).

    (Would there have been surprises if Goldsmith had lived longer? Alas, we'll never know.)
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2015 edited
    LSH wrote
    Absolutely. The film is one of few where everything is done perfectly. The direction, the script, the casting, the acting, the production design, the cinematography, the music, the editing, and so on and so on...

    A perfect film and a fucking great one at that.


    It's a great film (and my favourite Newman score), but it's not the all-time best movie that IMDB wants you to believe.
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2015
    First I've heard of it. IMDB obviously has great taste.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt