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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015 edited
    I'm going to do my next Celluloid Tunes episode on montages over the weekend, and I want your recommendations. I have some parameters that need to be in place:

    * Should be around 3 minutes (slightly less or more is OK)
    * Classics are OK (you know, like "Training Montage" from ROCKY IV), but I'm also looking for less known montage tracks
    * No need to suggest any Elfman or Williams. I have those covered.
    * Needs to be a MONTAGE, edited to compress time with much of the sound effects weeded out, not just a "realtime" action sequence or a main title sequence (these are often confused)

    Thanks!
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015 edited
    Crikey! Where to begin?

    Ummmm...try maybe some of these:

    The montage from Superman III (Ken Thorne)
    Dance montage (Gone With The Wind - Max Steiner)
    Work montage (The Molly Maguires - Henry Mancini)
    The Drive Montage (Robocop - Basil Poledouris)
    Relationship montage (For Love Of the Game - Basil Poledouris)
    Breakfast montage (Citizen Kane - Bernard Herrmann)
    The Native Montage (Quigley Down under - Basil Poledouris)
    Gunfight montage (The Quick And The Dead - Alan Silvestri)
    Typing Montage (Barton Fink - Carter Burwell)
    The Courtroom Montage (Snow Falling On Cedars - James Newton Howard)
    School Montage (X-Men - Michael Kamen)
    Letters Montage (Letters From Iwo Jima - Eastwood/Stevens)
    The Vesuvius Montage (Spartacus - Alex North)
    Surveillance Montage (Fast Five - Brian Tyler)
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015 edited
    Here's a few (but not sure if they are "proper" montages)

    "Training Montage" - Above and Beyond - Hugo Friedhofer (0:29)
    "Roses Montage" - The Age of Innocence - Elmer Bernstein (1:20)
    "Firing Montage" - Bad Milo! - Ted Masur (1:34)
    "Travel Montage" - Beastmaster 2 - Robert Folk (3:08)
    "Book Montage" - Birdman of Alcatraz - Elmer Bernstein (1:26)
    "Tournament Montage" - Dead Solid Perfect - Tangerine Dream (2:38)
    "The Battle Montage" - Farewell To The King - Basil Poledouris (2:39)
    "Steak Montage" - The Fly - Howard Shore (0:59)
    "Research Montage" - Frost/Nixon - Hans Zimmer (3:05)
    "Whiplashing Montage" - Mutiny On The Bounty - Bronislau Kaper (2:42)
    "Summer Montage" - Peyton Place - Franz Waxman (1:22)
    "Native Montage" - Quigley Down Under - Basil Poledouris (2:15)
    "Drive Montage" - RoboCop - Basil Poledouris (1:06)
    "Back To The Future Montage" - These Amazing Shadows - Peter Golub (0:59)
    "Interocitor Montage" - This Island Earth - Herman Stein (0:35)
    "School Montage" - X-Men - Michael Kamen (3:15)
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015
    Thanks, guys! Before I start checking them out, are they within the parameters (the duration is particularly important)?
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015 edited
    Thor wrote
    Thanks, guys! Before I start checking them out, are they within the parameters (the duration is particularly important)?

    I'll edit out the tracks that are over 3-3:30 in length. Done!
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015 edited
    Thanks, but it's better that it's longer than shorter. 1-minute and 2-minute tracks are a bit too short, but if we're at, say, 2.45, it's doable. Maximum is 4-5 minutes if they're really good. But ideally between 2.45 and 4 minutes. (sounds unnecessarily complicated, but it has to do with the fact that I choose 10 tracks of 3 minutes, which means 30 minutes music and 30 minutes talk for an approximate 1-hour show).
    I am extremely serious.
  1. Thor wrote
    Thanks, but it's better that it's longer than shorter. 1-minute and 2-minute tracks are a bit too short, but if we're at, say, 2.45, it's doable. Maximum is 4-5 minutes if they're really good. But ideally between 2.45 and 4 minutes.

    You don't make it easy. wink

    I've just chucked away the ones between 3-4 minutes.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015
    You can't not include the greatest montage ever.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    Thor wrote
    Thanks, but it's better that it's longer than shorter. 1-minute and 2-minute tracks are a bit too short, but if we're at, say, 2.45, it's doable. Maximum is 4-5 minutes if they're really good. But ideally between 2.45 and 4 minutes.

    You don't make it easy. wink

    I've just chucked away the ones between 3-4 minutes.


    Damn, I was a bit too late in my response earlier. I would rather you chucked away your 1 and 2-minute tracks and kept the 3-4 minute. But OK, I'm not going to bother you anymore. Much appreciated!
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015
    Steven wrote
    You can't not include the greatest montage ever.


    He, he...yeah, I use that in my lectures on film music for young students.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015
    Travel Montage from Beastermaster 2: Through The Portal of Time
    Training Montage from Major Payne
    Relationship Montage from For The Love of the Game
    Montage from Team America: World Police
    You're The Best from The Karate Kid
    Tryouts from Rudy
    Building the Deathcoaster from Army of Darkness
    The Construction from Explorers
    Sandcastles from The Mummy Returns
    Married Life from Up
    Any Other Name from American Beauty
    Childhood Montage from Monster
    Gunfight Montage from The Quick and the Dead

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015 edited
    Thor wrote
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    Thor wrote
    Thanks, but it's better that it's longer than shorter. 1-minute and 2-minute tracks are a bit too short, but if we're at, say, 2.45, it's doable. Maximum is 4-5 minutes if they're really good. But ideally between 2.45 and 4 minutes.

    You don't make it easy. wink

    I've just chucked away the ones between 3-4 minutes.


    Damn, I was a bit too late in my response earlier. I would rather you chucked away your 1 and 2-minute tracks and kept the 3-4 minute. But OK, I'm not going to bother you anymore. Much appreciated!

    I didn't mean to suggest that you leave me alone! Now I know what it is you're looking for I'll put a little list together that's more tailored for what you want...

    "Ceremony Montage" - Amerika - Basil Poledouris (2:54)
    "Whiplashing Montage" - Mutiny On The Bounty - Bronislau Kaper (2:55)
    "Research Montage" - Frost/Nixon - Hans Zimmer (3:05)
    "Montage" - Superman III - Ken Thorne (3:12)
    "Money Montage" - The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3 - David Shire (3:14)
    "School Montage" - X-Men - Michael Kamen (3:15)
    "Training Montage" - Flyboys - Trevor Rabin (3:43)
    "Marine's Montage" - Six-Pack - Elia Cmiral (3:43)
    "Inama Nushif (Montage)" - Children of Dune - Brian Tyler (3:52)
    The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015
    Thor wrote
    Thanks, guys! Before I start checking them out, are they within the parameters (the duration is particularly important)?


    Yes.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
  2. "The Construction" (2:34; Goldsmith)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it1VPD-z0mY

    "The Shark Cage Fugue" (2:00; Williams)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC3ubExxYoc

    "City Montage" (1:54; Elfman)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGV_DeHCarw

    "Dutch Builds Trap" (9:28; Silvestri -- it's "Predator", let the length go)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAPmvwe02Ws

    "Column of Sadness / Wheel of Pain" (4:10; Poledouris)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5KYZ74OAak

    "To the Stars" (3:17; Edelman -- sort of montage-ish)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Zx0tvNAi8



    I remember a number of montage scenes from "North by Northwest".


    Are you counting television, too?
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    I didn't mean to suggest that you leave me alone! Now I know what it is you're looking for I'll put a little list together that's more tailored for what you want...


    I was just feeling guilty for being so difficult! smile Your edited list looks tantalizing.
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015 edited
    Martijn wrote
    Thor wrote
    Thanks, guys! Before I start checking them out, are they within the parameters (the duration is particularly important)?


    Yes.


    Actually, most of your cues are a bit on the short side (1-2 minutes), but nice nonetheless -- the ones I could find on YT and Spotify, anyway.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015
    Can you guys remind me -- it's been a long time since I saw the film last: Is "To Hamunaptra" from THE MUMMY a 'travel montage'?
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015
    No. And it's 'Camel Race'.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015 edited
    Steven wrote
    No. And it's 'Camel Race'.


    Ah. But "Camel Race" is not a montage either, is it?
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015 edited
    "The Caravan" is like the travel montage in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. Camel Race is NOT a montage scene.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015 edited
    Great. "The Caravan" it is.

    (and I need to see the film again. Wonderful popcorn B-film with A film production values -- what happened to Stephen Sommers?).
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015 edited
    I really enjoyed the first Mummy film as well. Deep Rising is a lot of fun, too Then Sommers felt like he had to top himself with each new film so every thing he did post The Mummy was boring CGI bullshit!

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2015
    I enjoyed the second one too (and a smokin' Silvestri score to boot). The third and fourth not so much, nor the SCORPION KING spinoffs.
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  3. There's a fourth? dizzy

    Yeah, second Mummy is OK as well, miles and miles beyond the awful AWFUL third one. Not quite as good as the first, but I'm always a bit surprised at the vast difference in reception the two got. While we're on the subject of Sommers, I've got a massive soft spot for Van Helsing as well, even though that one really is a genuinely shit movie. Seminal score in the getting-into-film-music process for me, though (first thing I ever listened to that wasn't Hans Zimmer) - that's probably why.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2015
    Edmund Meinerts wrote
    There's a fourth? dizzy

    Yeah, second Mummy is OK as well, miles and miles beyond the awful AWFUL third one. Not quite as good as the first, but I'm always a bit surprised at the vast difference in reception the two got.


    I'm not. Although the sequel seems to follow the same formula as The Mummy, and might work on paper, it's missing all the charm. Instead it's just a retread of the first film, more of a Back To The Future Part II than an Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. (Except, unlike Back To The Future Part II, it didn't work and had an annoying kid.)

    Awful film.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2015
    Edmund Meinerts wrote
    There's a fourth? dizzy


    Sorry, I'm confused again. There are three MUMMY films, but four SCORPION KING films.
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  4. "Borg Montage" (1:02; Goldsmith [I don't recall if it was by Jerry or Joel])
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeO1ByUN0Q (26:15 in, though the reved-up continuous action alternate is better, at 1:15:03)


    "New Order Montage" (1:19; Silvestri's kick-ass brass and drum piece)
    Full cue available for listening at Intrada's website.


    "Gunfight Montage" (1:51; Silvestri)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZF8zffFf3k


    A little long and not a lot of time crunched, but:
    "Building the Barn" (4:49; Jarre)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2GqYpiwnXY



    Again, would TV shows count? I got about half a dozen examples for that.



    And wasn't there a montage of Rambo contructing things in "First Blood"?
    The views and opinions of Ford A. Thaxton are his own and do not necessarily reflect the ones of ANYONE else.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2015
    Sorry, no TV. But thanks for the suggestions.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2015
    Thor wrote
    Martijn wrote
    Thor wrote
    Thanks, guys! Before I start checking them out, are they within the parameters (the duration is particularly important)?


    Yes.


    Actually, most of your cues are a bit on the short side (1-2 minutes),


    But you changed the rules after I responded! mad You ingrate!

    wink
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2015
    Hey! I found a new smiley! Cool!
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn