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- CommentTimeSep 19th 2016
NP: Dead Calm - Graeme Revell
More sound design that musical score. "Slaughterboat" is an unusual beast.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeSep 19th 2016 edited
NP: JOURNEY - Austin Wintory
Now this is what I call a re-discovery. First time I heard this my reaction was a bit 'meh'. But now...
Wow. This is gorgeous stuff. But it's music you really need to carefully listen to. It's delicate, detailed, nuanced stuff.
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- CommentTimeSep 19th 2016
Captain Future wrote
NP: Lost, Season Four (2009) - Michael Giacchino
This is the only CD in my collection out of that franchise. I never saw a single episode and so I probably can't fully appreciate the music. Still, Edmund, I see, what you are talking about.
The final season 6 disc really ought to be in your collection if you appreciate season 4. It contains the greatest pieces of Giacchino's career by far, at least in my opinion, as a Giacchino (but not Giacchino sound people) fan... -
- CommentTimeSep 19th 2016
ReCore - Chad Seiter
This seems pretty good, but I'm never going to make it through 98 minutes. -
- CommentTimeSep 19th 2016
NP: The Return of the King (2003) - Howard Shore
Being the third part of the legend of the War of the Ring and the End of the Third Age as retold in the Red Book of Westmarch.
Oh, and this music is just stunning.
VolkerBach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentTimeSep 19th 2016
Pacific Ramin Rim Djawadi
One of the best RC scores ever written. I'm struggling to think of a better one? -
- CommentAuthorEdmund Meinerts
- CommentTimeSep 19th 2016 edited
What is your criteria for "RC score"? Does it include Zimmer's stuff? Powell's? (Even if it doesn't, I can certainly think of several that I'd put above Pacific Rim...) -
- CommentTimeSep 19th 2016
I suppose things like Zimmer's Nolan scores don't really count, as they feel more personal. But yeah... anything that's RC. I assumed Powell left before it became RC. -
- CommentAuthorEdmund Meinerts
- CommentTimeSep 19th 2016
In that case...taking out Powell scores (and Harry Gregson-Williams as well, even if he never strayed quite as far from RC)
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
Steamboy
King Arthur (or is that one still Media Ventures?)
Angels & Demons
The Lone Ranger
Transformers
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
Planes
Puss in Boots
The Da Vinci Code
The Dark Knight (may not count as RC)
X-Men: First Class
The Mortal Instruments: City of Bones
Your Highness
Eddie the Eagle
Interstellar (may not count as RC)
The Amazing Spider-Man 2
Wreck-it Ralph
Gulliver's Travels
Home
Free Birds
Kingsman
Planes: Fire and Rescue
Kung Fu Panda 3
Rush
Sherlock Holmes
Megamind
are all, more or less off the top of my head, RC scores that I enjoy more than Pacific Rim. -
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016
Steven wrote
Pacific Ramin Rim Djawadi
One of the best RC scores ever written. I'm struggling to think of a better one?
Backdraft. End of discussion!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016
"Agatha" (rejected score)
By: Howard Blake
The original recording, not the re-recordeding suite by Carl Davis. Unreleased.
An old fashioned orchestral score in the veing of a 1970's or early 1980's mellowdramatic work. Replete with all the standards of lush strings, woodwinds, harp, even a little glockenspiel, and the professionalism you'd come to expect from Blake.
The tagline to the film reads (as stated on IMDb):
A fictional solution to the real mystery of Agatha Christie's disappearance.
The proiduction companies include Warner Bros., so perhaps La La Land can make this happen one day.
Indeed, the music somehow seems to fit the bill is a way even apart from it you'd think it might go to something like this if you did not know where it came from.
There's plenty of mystery, suspense, moments of tenseness and even a little dissonance, as well as a few wonderful dreamy cues with melodic harp, xylophone, light use of glockenspiel, and various woodwinds.
If I had to fault this score for anything, it's the odd and un-fitting use of a theremin in some cues, make it sounds like like a cheesey science fiction film at times. Thankfully those cues are rare.
There's one dramatic cue with snare and staccato trumpets in quick bursts with the snare, interspaced with some dramatic music of the themes in the score.
The score concludes with two wonderful cues: a slow and short sorrowful piece with strings, followed up by an over six minute end credits piece that opens on a somber note, before picking up with the major theme of the score and building it up beautifully from mournful to wistful, then pausing breifly and giving us new orchestral ideas of the score not heard elsewhere in the film.
It's a wonder he didn't score more. Heck, I think he would have been a prime choice for a "Columbo" movie. I assume hye's retired, as he hasn't scored anything since 1999.
As I posted in another thread about a month ago, Carl Davis re-recorded some cues years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtZx16Ivpv8
It's fairly faithful to the original, but changes some things, loses some of the strength of the original recording, added new dramatic flourishes not in the original, and goes to heavy on the timpani. A small part of the end credits is featured. The dreamy harp/xylophone/glockenspiel piece(s) is not featured and neither, thankfully, is the theremin.
Blake talks about what happened at length on his site:
http://www.howardblake.com/music/Film-T … AGATHA.htmThe views and opinions of Ford A. Thaxton are his own and do not necessarily reflect the ones of ANYONE else. -
- CommentAuthorEdmund Meinerts
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016
Erik Woods wrote
Steven wrote
Pacific Ramin Rim Djawadi
One of the best RC scores ever written. I'm struggling to think of a better one?
Backdraft. End of discussion!
-Erik-
Backdraft is, if anything, an MV score, not an RC one. (And it even predates MV! Otherwise, I'd have definitely included it and about 15-20 other 90s Zimmer scores...) -
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016 edited
Wow Edmund your list sent me on a wild ride between agreement and "are you crazy??" and back and forth again...from AWE which is my all time favorite in complete form, to Planes which I thought was deeply mediocre and unmemorable.
I'll spare everyone the indepth analysis of his list, I think I like RC more than is generally socially acceptable on this forum -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016
Edmund Meinerts wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Steven wrote
Pacific Ramin Rim Djawadi
One of the best RC scores ever written. I'm struggling to think of a better one?
Backdraft. End of discussion!
-Erik-
Backdraft is, if anything, an MV score, not an RC one. (And it even predates MV! Otherwise, I'd have definitely included it and about 15-20 other 90s Zimmer scores...)
Doesn't *really* predate MV as MV was created as a company specifically to produce Rain Man. And since Hans has already done stuff here and there with Mancina (Days of Thunder namely)... and Bruce Fowler is part of the team it could be counted as such... but even then, shouldn't.
Technically speaking though, Media Ventures existed at the time. It was just 2-3 people at the time (Nick Glennie-Smith always shows up somewhere), but it's still the Media Ventures that existed even before HGW, Powell and Greenaway joined.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorEdmund Meinerts
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016
Morgan Joylighter wrote
Wow Edmund your list sent me on a wild ride between agreement and "are you crazy??" and back and forth again...from AWE which is my all time favorite in complete form, to Planes which I thought was deeply mediocre and unmemorable.
I'll spare everyone the indepth analysis of his list, I think I like RC more than is generally socially acceptable on this forum
Wow, really, Planes didn't do anything for you? I agree that maybe the body of the score isn't that spectacular, but that main theme! -
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016
NP: ABZÛ - Austin Wintory
First listen but I like very much what I'm hearing!
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- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016 edited
Edmund Meinerts wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Steven wrote
Pacific Ramin Rim Djawadi
One of the best RC scores ever written. I'm struggling to think of a better one?
Backdraft. End of discussion!
-Erik-
Backdraft is, if anything, an MV score, not an RC one. (And it even predates MV! Otherwise, I'd have definitely included it and about 15-20 other 90s Zimmer scores...)
Same fucking thing! He just changed the name when Zimmer and the original partner filed lawsuits against each other.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016 edited
Haha, absolutely. So what would be considered the last 'MV' score and the first 'RC' score then? -
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016 edited
The lawsuit was filed in 2003. I think the name was changed in 2004.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016 edited
Yes the main theme to Planes is great. I just feel that Pacific Rim with its kickass 5 minute main theme and several other strengths is clearly a superior score than something with naught but a two minute theme and a bunch of generic action music. Bit these things are totally subjective
Also it's kind of scary how constantly and long Nick Glennie-Smith has been turning up. And how he doesn't seem to age or change at all. Secret film music vampire?? Is he the real reason why RC is obsessed with imitating Zimmer rather than creating their own identities? -
- CommentAuthorEdmund Meinerts
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016
LSH wrote
Haha, absolutely. So what would be considered the last 'MV' score and the first 'RC' score then?
I always think of King Arthur as the last MV score (big themes, big action music, big fun, a bit silly) and Batman Begins as the first RC score (brooding, dark, pretentious, short on themes, takes itself way too seriously). That's the big divide for me. Power anthems to the left of me, ostinatos to the right. And yeah, I know it's the same company, but the shift in name makes for a useful way to mark the shift in style. Of course, there are MV-ish scores that happened after the switch to RC (Transformers is kind of a best-of-both-worlds thing, and of course the second and third Pirates scores). -
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016 edited
I feel like the third Pirates score is totally it's own unique thing not only in MV/RC's history but in the entire history of film scores. Never have the electronics and the symphonic bits been so majestically and seamlessly welded together, never has the thematic development been so (pointlessly, cause the plot is so dumb) rich and complex. It's good enough to be almost (I said almost! please don't hurt me or say mean things! ) on the level of the Star Wars and Rings scores. I don't say that lightly and would laugh if that was said about any other Zimmer or RC score. Please note I am only saying this about the complete score, not the score as it appears on album which is woefully inadequate and missing two of the three strongest cues in the entire score, bizzarely.
Also it appears technically the first lawsuit was filed in 2003 so that would be when MV became RC, but the scores of course are not composed immediately before they are released in most cases so King Arthur could have well been created when they were still legally Media Ventures. -
- CommentAuthorEdmund Meinerts
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016
Forsooth, this fellow knows of what he speaketh. -
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016
Fellow? -
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016
She's a he?Bach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentAuthorEdmund Meinerts
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016 edited
AAAUUGH!!
I'm sorry...it's just so rare on film music forums! You just assume everyone's a "he". -
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016
No, no -- he profile clearly says "I'm no one", so it should be:
this no one knows of what no one speaketh
You know, just to be confusing.
By the way, I'm nobody.The views and opinions of Ford A. Thaxton are his own and do not necessarily reflect the ones of ANYONE else. -
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- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016
How do you do, Ulysses?
I am Spartacus.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2016
No, I'm Spartacus!The views and opinions of Ford A. Thaxton are his own and do not necessarily reflect the ones of ANYONE else.