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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2008
    I could and should write a book about the stroke/brain issues although the brain likely won't allow it anymore.
    #1...I still feel crappy about being asked to leave after the stroke.
    #2...Most people don't understand
    #3...My dates for the most part are failures. Perhaps I'm dealing with the wrong age group.
    Thomas
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorHeeroJF
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2008
    Bregje wrote
    And I like hair on men, I don't like hair on women. [...] Besides, it doesn't look better either in my opinion, when men shave and wax and everything. Not my thing.

    I am SO glad someone of the female persuasion made this point. This wraps up the whole thing as far as I'm concerned because it proves to me that there actually ARE people who think the "traditional" macho man look with hair and bulk is attractive. Never would've thought so in this day and age, but there you have it!

    I'm glad someone said it because it truly proves that it comes down to our own standards of aesthetics, in the end. That "let woman look like woman and man look like man" philosophy, as others have said, does not work for me, but if it works for others then fine. I personally an very disinclined toward the "traditional macho hairy" man principle, and yes, I fully admit, I think a fay male is much more attractive. And no, I'm not the only one who thinks that: most women in the circles in which I hang out prefer their men like that too. But it's not my place to push my standards on others, or others to push theirs on me.

    And so it all boils down to keeping up a level of maintenance and grooming that is conform to YOUR OWN standards of aesthetics! And no one else's opinion matters. If your standards happen to be somewhat masculine in nature and require very little of you? Kudos, more power to you. If you lean toward a more feminine approach? Then bummer, get ready to work hard, but enjoy the primping that ensues.

    And I firmly believe that your biological sex has nothing to do with the choice you make: metro-sexuals prove that you can be male and chose female aesthetics, and I can count many personal female friends of mine who choose the masculine look and it works for them. It's all down to choosing a look and "making it work". No matter what you chose, if you believe you're hot stuff, it shows. Confidence speaks volumes.

    Martijn wrote
    Let me make absolutely clear that I am not advocating the actual elimination of differences between the sexes (how would that even be possible in anything but the most dystopian THX-1138 like scociety?).

    To be precise: I don't want to eliminate the difference between sexes persay. I just want to eliminate one sex entirely, that's all. biggrin No, I sound like I'm really bashing males all the time, but truly, what would the world be without men. It's like drunk people: they're damaging and dangerous, but oh-so funny. Movies would be a whole lot less fun without men to cause wars and takes hostages and such.

    (just being a smartass now. biggrin just listen to my first paragraph above, not that last one)
    ''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2008
    HeeroJF wrote
    But it's not my place to push my standards on others, or others to push theirs on me.


    ...and YET it happens... a LOT.

    And so it all boils down to keeping up a level of maintenance and grooming that is conform to YOUR OWN standards of aesthetics! And no one else's opinion matters
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    No one else's opinion SHOULD matter.
    ...and YET it does... a LOT.

    While I completely agree with the points you make, it's just not thre current reality.
    That's why I think discussions like these are worthwhile now and again.

    Confidence speaks volumes.


    Ab-so-lute-ly! punk

    To be precise: I don't want to eliminate the difference between sexes persay. I just want to eliminate one sex entirely, that's all.
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    (just being a smartass now.


    Yeah...rolleyes

    wink
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorHeeroJF
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2008 edited
    Martijn wrote
    No one else's opinion SHOULD matter.
    ...and YET it does... a LOT.

    While I completely agree with the points you make, it's just not thre current reality.
    That's why I think discussions like these are worthwhile now and again.

    True, true. If all discussions started with: "before we start, let's agree that an idyllic world would be ideal," then everyone would just agree on that off the bat and there WOULD be no discussion! Ever! :xmas-dizzy:

    Sad fact is it's far from perfect. slant


    As exemplified by Randy Edelman.
    ''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2008
    Hey!
    I LIKE Randy's work! angry

    (well, a lot of it, anyway)
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2008
    sdtom wrote
    I could and should write a book about the stroke/brain issues although the brain likely won't allow it anymore.
    #1...I still feel crappy about being asked to leave after the stroke.
    #2...Most people don't understand
    #3...My dates for the most part are failures. Perhaps I'm dealing with the wrong age group.
    Thomas


    I would suggest a nubile 20 year old Tom biggrin
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2008
    Sorry if this has been touched on already, but I've only skimmed the lengthy posts here.

    I think there's a difference between rationality and focus/cognitive priority here.

    Just as I don't usually like to think about the pig or the slaughtering process as I'm eating meat, so too do I CHOOSE to view girls as inherently attractive to me. Of course, I'm well aware that they fart, burp and have hair all over the place just as much as men, but I NEED the feminine image in my head to continue my heterosexual drive (I'm single, by the way). The personality obviously decides the charm and level of attraction, but it all comes from my CHOSEN IMAGE of the other sex (which hails from background, preference, culture etc.).
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2008
    If only I could Timmer!!! But you guys all like me so life is still ok.
    listen to more classical music!
    • CommentAuthorMogens
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2008
    Timmer wrote
    Bregje wrote
    Martijn wrote
    Hah! I only now just noticed the topic title having changed. biggrin

    If it hadn't changed I'd probably not have opened it today. So thanks for that D!


    Let's hope it doesn't become a trend when other hreads go off subject?

    JOHN WILLIAMS ( and 16th Century Pottery Making )

    Now Playing Part XXI ( and The Rise And Fall of The Third Reich and it's effects on Capitalism in the 20th Century )

    etc etc wink


    Scary as this may seem (hell, scary as it IS), 16th century pottery making is something I, as an archaeologist, specialising in the middle ages, know something about. Not much, mind you (ceramics studies bores the living crap out of me), but it's an important aspect of what I've studied. Scary? Truly. biggrin
    Luminous beings are we.. Not this crude matter.
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2008
    off the topic indeed!!!
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2008
    Thor wrote
    I've only skimmed the lengthy posts here.


    Well. At least you're honest about it... rolleyes

    Seriously though, yeah, I know I tend to be a little (...) verbose, and it may well deter the casual (and not-so-casual) reader... sad
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorBregje
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2008
    HeeroJF wrote
    Bregje wrote
    And I like hair on men, I don't like hair on women. [...] Besides, it doesn't look better either in my opinion, when men shave and wax and everything. Not my thing.

    I am SO glad someone of the female persuasion made this point. This wraps up the whole thing as far as I'm concerned because it proves to me that there actually ARE people who think the "traditional" macho man look with hair and bulk is attractive. Never would've thought so in this day and age, but there you have it!

    Well, it's just a matter of preference. And there are as many tastes as there are people.
    Even when there are trends, wether it's men waxing their chest or women shaving everything down there, there will always be people who don't like it. It seems like as a woman these days you're supposed to shave it all, but I know many men who don't like that and women too (me neither. I don't want a woman to look like an 8 year old down there!). So one may wonder why it's a trend in the first place when many people don't like it. The same with men, the same with make-up. Women think men like make-up on women and I'm sure many do but also many men don't so... it's all very personal.

    Generally speaking, I think the older one becomes, the less sensitive one is for trends. Especially the short hypes. There are of course also cultural trends that last longer. You know, what people find attractive is so very personal. That's why there are basically no un-attractive people!