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- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2010
Christodoulides wrote
You can't not enjoy Goldsmith's horror scores, esp. Poltergeist and the Omen trilogy, it's all brilliant film music.
On the other hand, you like Edward Scissorhands. And The Kingdom, if i recall correctly.
I love Edward Scissorhands, but dislike The Kingdom.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2010
Though, I prefer The Kingdom to many other scores in a similar style.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2010
Manwe wrote
Strange and frankly a bit annoying. I found three more limited release CDs listed as available which turned out to be unavailable. Annoying.
It's better than Footlight Records or SAE, where you can actually pass the point of purchase (and your card can even be charged sometimes) without the CDs actually ever being there. Footlight would later refund the charge when they realised they didn't have the cd, and you would usually only find out for sure what you had when it came in the mail. SAE can sometimes take months to backorder something which is apparently there for purchasing.
What I suspect happens at movie music is that once the customer selects the item, there's a database request issued to the Florida-based shipping company Peter uses for a lot of new releases. If it isn't in stock, it will tell you. It's a more manageable and affordable real-time order management system than a continuous live link between all website pages that might be looked at and the inventory. By this system, Peter would only be paying for the bandwidth/traffic every time someone actually indicated a desire to purchase an item, rather than every time someone looked at an item. It's similar to the way concert tickets online.A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2010 edited
PawelStroinski wrote
Christodoulides wrote
You can't not enjoy Goldsmith's horror scores, esp. Poltergeist and the Omen trilogy, it's all brilliant film music.
On the other hand, you like Edward Scissorhands. And The Kingdom, if i recall correctly.
I love Edward Scissorhands, but dislike The Kingdom.
I love that score, but it helps if you like post-rock in general (artists such as Sigur Ros, Explosions in the Sky, Mogwai, Pelican, Mono etc.), as it's pretty much molded in that style. I think Bregt will like it, since I know he has an affection for Sigur Ros.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
Frank wrote
Lukas Kendall has revealed on the FSM message board that they will release a 2 CD-set of Poltergeist later this year. Mike Matessino is going back to the source elements to improve upon the Rhino edition and also add a second disc of alternates and the LP program.
That's great news indeed!
Poltergeist is a great album - and more music (as well as alternates) will be most welcome. I hope that this release will mirror the release of Star Trek II - The Wrath of Khan and not be too limited.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
Thor wrote
Steven wrote
Poltergeist is so much more than a simple horror score. It's more of a family adventure score under the guise of a horror score. So although it's still part of the horror genre, there's a lot more to enjoy than just "scary music" (Carol Anne's theme, for example).
I really am shocked, this is a great example of Goldsmith at the pinnacle of his career. It's a classic. Still, if you don't enjoy, that's fair enough I guess.
Yes, "Carol Anne's Theme" is pretty nice, but that was basically the only thing I liked about it. I gave it a lot of chances, though. It was just too....dare I say it, bombastic for me.
I like THE OMEN, though.
You like The Omen and not Poltergiest? AND you find Poltergiest too bombastic!?
You.... I... *heavy breathing*.... I.... need to... go.... go lie down... oh god... -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
Thor wrote
Steven wrote
Poltergeist is so much more than a simple horror score. It's more of a family adventure score under the guise of a horror score. So although it's still part of the horror genre, there's a lot more to enjoy than just "scary music" (Carol Anne's theme, for example).
I really am shocked, this is a great example of Goldsmith at the pinnacle of his career. It's a classic. Still, if you don't enjoy, that's fair enough I guess.
Yes, "Carol Anne's Theme" is pretty nice, but that was basically the only thing I liked about it. I gave it a lot of chances, though. It was just too....dare I say it, bombastic for me.
I like THE OMEN, though.
The Light?, Rebirth?....oh welll!?On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
PawelStroinski wrote
Christodoulides wrote
You can't not enjoy Goldsmith's horror scores, esp. Poltergeist and the Omen trilogy, it's all brilliant film music.
On the other hand, you like Edward Scissorhands. And The Kingdom, if i recall correctly.
I love Edward Scissorhands, but dislike The Kingdom.
Scissorhands is a choral style I truly dislike, I find it saccharine and sickly, I know a lot of people love it but it just isn't for me.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010 edited
Timmer wrote
Thor wrote
Steven wrote
Poltergeist is so much more than a simple horror score. It's more of a family adventure score under the guise of a horror score. So although it's still part of the horror genre, there's a lot more to enjoy than just "scary music" (Carol Anne's theme, for example).
I really am shocked, this is a great example of Goldsmith at the pinnacle of his career. It's a classic. Still, if you don't enjoy, that's fair enough I guess.
Yes, "Carol Anne's Theme" is pretty nice, but that was basically the only thing I liked about it. I gave it a lot of chances, though. It was just too....dare I say it, bombastic for me.
I like THE OMEN, though.
The Light?, Rebirth?....oh welll!?
Twisted Abduction !!!!! My favourite from that score.
I will not be buying this new release. The release I have is wonderful enough. Just the right amount of everything: beauty, magic and horror. What a combination !!!"considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G. -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
DreamTheater wrote
The release I have is wonderful enough. Just the right amount of everything: beauty, magic and horror. What a combination !!!
Quite so.
While I laud FSM for getting beyond Golden and Silver Age releases, the current release fully satisfies me.
I'm sure the C&C mob will be ecstatic though.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
Martijn wrote
DreamTheater wrote
The release I have is wonderful enough. Just the right amount of everything: beauty, magic and horror. What a combination !!!
Quite so.
While I laud FSM for getting beyond Golden and Silver Age releases, the current release fully satisfies me.
I'm sure the C&C mob will be ecstatic though.
They usually are.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
Ooooo....very acerbicOn Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
...and true. In general terms (there are of course specific exceptions), apart from Varese Club, all of the soundtrack labels releasing older scores aim them at "the C&C mob". It's only Varese which seems to put listening experience first (or, actually, anywhere) on its list of priorities. (Moviescore Media does too, but that's mostly new scores and we're talking about older ones here.) -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
Hey, I find the current trend, embraced by FSM and Intrada, to include the original album release (usually cleaned up) into their issue a very heartening development!
In fact, that's why I bought the Rozsa box.
Again -like with the Bernstein box- I was tempted by one single Rozsa album rerelease in the entire package...'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010 edited
Timmer wrote
Thor wrote
Steven wrote
Poltergeist is so much more than a simple horror score. It's more of a family adventure score under the guise of a horror score. So although it's still part of the horror genre, there's a lot more to enjoy than just "scary music" (Carol Anne's theme, for example).
I really am shocked, this is a great example of Goldsmith at the pinnacle of his career. It's a classic. Still, if you don't enjoy, that's fair enough I guess.
Yes, "Carol Anne's Theme" is pretty nice, but that was basically the only thing I liked about it. I gave it a lot of chances, though. It was just too....dare I say it, bombastic for me.
I like THE OMEN, though.
The Light?, Rebirth?....oh welll!?
Rebirth is a cue of Star Trek: The Motion Picture-like proportions. It's brilliant! I find it hard to fathom that a score fan like Thor, whom likes Goldsmith, doesn't appreciate that particular cue! Bombastic or not ( ), it's a fine piece of film music. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
As Spielberg described in the original liner notes, 'cathedral like beauty' sums it up nicely.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
And wasn't Thor looking for religious-like music recently? -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
Martijn wrote
Hey, I find the current trend, embraced by FSM and Intrada, to include the original album release (usually cleaned up) into their issue a very heartening development!
Yeah, that's very welcome. -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
Steven wrote
And wasn't Thor looking for religious-like music recently?
Yes but I think his ears can't stand the likes of 'Rebirth' anymore, which is a pity. It's one of his best all-time compositions IMO."considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G. -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
DreamTheater wrote
Steven wrote
And wasn't Thor looking for religious-like music recently?
Yes but I think his ears can't stand the likes of 'Rebirth' anymore, which is a pity. It's one of his best all-time compositions IMO.
I can't find any "religious sound" in that score. In fact, I can't find it in ANY Goldsmith score (no, not even the "Second Coming" cue from FINAL CONFLICT, which just seems hokey and pretty without any depth). He just wasn't into that. I've tried to like POLTERGEIST for many years, but except for the Carol Anne theme and a few snippets here and there, it simply does nothing for me (except to grate).I am extremely serious. -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
:Thor-fail:
'The Final Conflict' from, well, The Final Conflict (the last track on the deluxe album) is religious-sounding. That's a fact. -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what Thor means by "religious sound". Final Conflict and Poltergeist would be at numbers one and two of my list of scores which have a religious sound. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010 edited
Southall wrote
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what Thor means by "religious sound". Final Conflict and Poltergeist would be at numbers one and two of my list of scores which have a religious sound.
It's a specific "religious" sound that Thor is after, particularly found in some works by John Williams ( Restoration from Jane Eyre or Audience With The Holy Father from Monsignor for example ) and most notably in Ralph Vaughan Williams Tallis Fantasia.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
Hmm. But 'hokey' and 'without any depth' The Final Conflict most certainly is not! -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
Steven wrote
Hmm. But 'hokey' and 'without any depth' The Final Conflict most certainly is not!
He was referring to Trial Run and Second Coming, both tracks are utterly gorgeous and would be included if I ever did some kind of "religious" compilation, that sound contained in both of those tracks is a winner for me but then, I am a huge fan of the works of Debussy and Ravel, both huge influences on those tracks.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
Timmer wrote
Southall wrote
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what Thor means by "religious sound". Final Conflict and Poltergeist would be at numbers one and two of my list of scores which have a religious sound.
It's a specific "religious" sound that Thor is after, particularly found in some works by John Williams ( Restoration from Jane Eyre or Audience With The Holy Father from Monsignor for example ) and most notably in Ralph Vaughan Williams Tallis Fantasia.
OK, I see. In that case I'd have thought some of the modal writing in Poltergeist was just what he was looking for.
Obviously I disagree with him about Final Conflict being hokey and without depth. But that's probably just an opinion thing - Thor is certainly not a Goldsmith fanatic if memory serves. -
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2010 edited
Southall wrote
Timmer wrote
Southall wrote
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what Thor means by "religious sound". Final Conflict and Poltergeist would be at numbers one and two of my list of scores which have a religious sound.
It's a specific "religious" sound that Thor is after, particularly found in some works by John Williams ( Restoration from Jane Eyre or Audience With The Holy Father from Monsignor for example ) and most notably in Ralph Vaughan Williams Tallis Fantasia.
OK, I see. In that case I'd have thought some of the modal writing in Poltergeist was just what he was looking for.
Obviously I disagree with him about Final Conflict being hokey and without depth. But that's probably just an opinion thing - Thor is certainly not a Goldsmith fanatic if memory serves.
Well, I probably have around 50 titles, and once owned at least 20 more, so I'm definitely a fan (which, curiously, is short for fanatic). But probably not as much as most film score fans around here and FSM. Goldsmith was good at many things....the religious sound (my version of it) was not one of them.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentTimeJan 28th 2010
On the back of my comments on Medicine Man and The Secret of N.I.M.H. here's 20 Goldsmith scores I'd place above these two as my own personal favourites:
The Sand Pebbles
Planet of The Apes
100 Rifles
Tora! Tora! Tora!
Take A Hard Ride
The Omen
The Cassandra Crossing
Damien: Omen II
The Boys From Brazil
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Alien
The Final Conflict
Poltergeist
First Blood
Supergirl
Rambo - First Blood: Part II
Total Recall
Powder
Mulan
The MummyThe views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJan 28th 2010
Well, that's such a strong list it can't be disagreed with
Just comes down to taste and opinion.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeJan 28th 2010
Holy crapamonga! There's no Russia House in that list. Not a fan of that score eh, Alan?