[Closed] HANS ZIMMER

I apologise for lacing an earlier post in this thread with what may be termed by Leonard Nimoy as colourful metaphors.

And there I was, trying to steer the conversation back towards Star Trek.

Oh, I don't think the wave of negative opinions from film music fansites will have much impact. The album will probably top the "classical" charts, the film reviews will either not mention the music at all, or will say how good it is that it doesn't sound like John Williams, and it will be seen as a job well done by all concerned.

I am afraid others are feeling the same too; me included, and i am just 30. Time to move on?

Oh, poor guy. Too old to be targeted, too young to get a senior citizen's discount, but still strong and youthful enough to have a friend ask you to help them move heavy stuff.

If it's any consilation, if studo's were targeting us for their film's scores, much bigger deals would be made of them to the general public.

Bregt, I apologize but I mean it all. However I realize this makes other people upset and thus I am taking a step back.

Sorry for contributing to the negativity lately. Obviously the largest percentage of today's film music isn't exactly for me and especially not to be discussed in film music boards where the target audience of such film music often resides.

I am stepping down as a mod, Bregt please remove my mod status asap please. I will visit / post as Few as possible. Will concentrate on my job, writing more reviews on the few good scores that still come out instead.

Cheers

Passion is great! We need that. The challenge is to channel that passion through constructive criticism. Not always easy, but something worth striving for, I think.

-- Thor's self-evident wisdom words for the day.

If people just drank more beer and ate more potato chips, we wouldn't have this problem.

The last couple of pages on this thread have been quite a read!
The passion, emotionalism (whether good or bad) and honest dialogue between people on this subject is great! This is what makes life interesting. And the diversity of tastes and opinions within this very musical sub-culture is just as splintered as any religious organisation.
Great to observe or indulge in. This is humanity after all!
Please keep up these wonderful discussions!

I don't know if that was a typo or not, but if it was a typo, I officially announce you've coined a new word; a word to describe nonsensical Justin Bieber fans: beliebers

Henceforth this fantastic new word could be used to describe other fanatical fans.




Okay, time to get serious. OMG, "Belieber".


All right, all right, serious now.


I've been a rather frequent ... ah, hell -- I hate his scoring.

But, having said that, let me ploy devil's advocate here. So, he likes to keep it simple. Nothing wrong with that. But the outcome is different from the idea. Look at Goldsmith's later output: streamlined, often times more simpler, especially when compared to his more experimental earlier works. Was it bad? Not necessarily. Was it good? Well, depends on which score fajn you like. But we have a comparrative example of what can be done.

But maybe Jerry is a bar too high to Zimmer to reach, or a bar Zimmer doesn't even want to reach. I am speaking of a man, as Demetris pointed out, whom has insulted other composer's works (to what extent, D would know better than I), and one of those composers was Jerry ("Air Force One"), and priased Ennio Morricone, yet never paid respect to the craft which Ennio takes so seriously; he's like Jimmy Fallon laughing at himself, but not having earned it, like Dean Martin had.

So, we need other examples from other composers, of what can be done compositionally simple, and even simple in orchestration.

Here's an example of what can be done with a fake sounding solo piano, with few notes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVE5M86Wnjk
(and here it is again on a real piano: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB-oipHp6Cc)

Here's another composer with a solo piano:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuY0E8bSMMA



There's not a lot going on here, yet it's powerful and moving:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W44lMRSxjG0


And speaking of power, how about adding iconic? For the first fourty seconds a solo instrument created film scoring history:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZGujtX-HLE


How about the same thing going on for fourty seconds, with unison orchestration (changing instrument here and there), and velocity changes, yet again becoming wordly iconic?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrk3Hsi7Ais



And there's not much going on here, with only a solo woodwind providing the drive (though the string work gets more involved around the end). And it's by Morricone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr2SBRqt1Fo


Just a few examples of what can be done with little, keeping it simple. Zimmer just chooses not to really try.

Isolate himself from that fancy room, get a pen (thereby leaving you unable to erase and stick with what you put down), and for one year work on just one film, where he can only write and orchestrate the whole thing, and really put an effort into it, even if simple. Create something iconic, or at the very least, something maestro Morricone would say it nice*.




* = Do not expect him to smil.e He does not do that.




And if somebody says "stupid", "fuck", or "shit", it's not the end of the stupid fucking world.

WORD!

D, you're probably the most vocally passionate person on this forum, please keep it up, I, and I'm sure most here, wouldn't want it any other way.

...now where were we? Ah yes! SKYFALL. Cheers Michael.

Oh, and should I also point out his very heartfelt statement after John Barry died, how he loved Hammett and loved On Her Majesty's Secret Service (also he told me that Inception is his little Bond score, due to the influences of that score) the most of all things? (which, as I saw, got a praise from Hammett's pianist, too).