[Closed] HANS ZIMMER

These songs used in these films are generally considered to work in favour of the respective films. Sorry if I've mistaken "Not an excuse, ever, to use pop songs in any film, imo. They absolutely s*CK 99% of times" for prejudice. Must be something else.

Plus, i don't know how you mean the Greece not being "Western" comment exactly but i refuse to take it in a different way other than pure sarcasm 'cause i am sure you DO know that Greece actually gave birth to what is considered Western civilization today. Unless you actually mean HOLLYWOOD, that is not Greek heritage indeed, not by far

There are plenty of good uses of songs in films. What original score would you want in Goodfellas that would make it a better film than the songs do?

Great example! Forgot about that one.

Demetris, modern western culture is what I was referring to (I think). You yourself don't seem to be of the same mind set when it comes to film such as me, Erik, Timmer, etc. We grew up (albeit at different times!) with the Spielberg films, the Star Wars films, a lot of sci-fi from the 80's, things like that.

Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps many people in Greece (and other countries not so much within a "modern western culture") do have a lot of people of a similiar upbringing in films, but to me it appears that kind of taste in films is predominantly held by the US, UK, Australia etc. I'm no sociologist, I may be wrong.

I concur!

Okay, American culture it is. Whatever it is, it's a culture which is more predominant in some countries than others, certainly here in the UK. (Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.)

I'm not saying all countries except the US and the UK are stuck in the dark ages and unable to get electricity to watch these films, I'm saying the tastes and culture are different to those of the US and UK.

Does seem you're being very unfair on a lot of these films though. You seem to think everyone else is blinded by nostalgia, as though these films have little worth. It's very patronising to read comments like this, even if that's not your intent.

Yep, that's exactly why they worked.

The use of songs in TV shows is certainly something that works very well. Scrubs, ER, the first season of Lost, Top Gear (which uses a lot of film music too!) and lots of others have all used songs to great effect!

You have to take comments like that with a wee pinch of salt. Key word being "seem", I'm merely exaggerating a point to emphasise it. And the point I'm exaggerating is the fact the you're saying nostalgia hasn't 'affected' you, it seems like you're saying these films are only enjoyed now because we feel nostalgic. (Which is true to a degree, but they're also damn good films. There are many films from my childhood which I loved back then but consider rubbish now, e.g. Hook - which is by Spielberg, my hero.)



Then I apologise if I was. Could you link me to the conversation? If I ever come off as being patronising, it's only if someone makes a stupid remark.



Well, take away the '' and that sentence immediately becomes less patronising. And I'm sorry to say it, but your choice of language can be very patronising at times, even if it's not your intent, as I've already said.



I never said that we are obliged to like certain films. I'm just saying tastes and cultures vary, and appreciations of certain films are different. You talk as though those are the only tastes we have, hence 'i am moving on and am more of a man who's more into the stuff of his date each time'. You're kind of going off track and mincing words. Of course, tastes vary and tastes grow. I like a lot of the films from my childhood, and I like a lot of films since. I dislike a lot of films from my childhood, and dislike a lot of films since.



I do understand that. Again, you're mincing words. Where was it that I implied films like Back To The Future, Star Wars, etc. are untouchable? Where was it that I said people should like them? No where. Again, I repeat, I'm merely discussing (or gave one comment which spiraled out of control) the differences in tastes we each hold and to a degree the effect it has on us today. I think.

There is some truth to that, I will agree (but with whom, that's up to you to decide I guess). I might joke about it, but I would never seriously "attack" someone for disliking a certain film. Just read my signature, it explains all.

Well it is now! Honestly, I don't remember. I would appreciate a link so that maybe I can redeem myself... I find it hard to believe I was being genuinely patronising for no good reason.

Oooh, I see I see. My bad.



A little patronising, but not too bad. Try and imagine that kind of comment aimed at you, I know for a fact you wouldn't react to it too favourably either! Still, apologies to Erik for quoting him here, he went on to make his point quite well.

I am NOT stubborn!

...oh, wait.

Excellent examples there Timmer!

Spielberg's wonderful Catch Me If You Can also uses songs from the appropriate eras to great effect. It's quite right what lp said about songs being used to convey a certain setting or period, that's when they work the best! And having songs in films doesn't mean it needs to be a replacement for the score, but can work perfectly well with the score.

Songs do something to a film that a score can't necessarily convey, and of course the same is true for a score. It's just a case of the director and/or composer choosing the right songs for the right films for the right scenes and deciding whether or not to have score, no score or songs. (Which in all the examples we've given so far, have been excellent examples of this.)