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      CommentAuthorNautilus
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
    Well...I just have heard Alien and Planet of the Apes in the same morning. And I thought...Are there the most chalenging listenings I ever heard? I guess they are not, but they are very close.

    What scores do you think are a challenging listen?

    thanks

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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007 edited
    Depends on what you define as "challenging".

    I always said that nothing i ever listened surpassed Goldenthal's writing (esp. in IN DREAMS, FINAL FANTASY: THE SPIRITS WITHIN, SPHERE and ALIEN3 but also his solo works, the OTHELLO BALLET and the FIRE WATER PAPER: A VIETNAM ORATORIO). Maybe Krzysztof Penderecki's "threnody for the victims of Hiroshima" a bit, but just that.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorNautilus
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
    Well...I guess the most challengin listening experience is in a intellectual level. I mean scores to appreciate, not scores that "hurts" your ears.

    Goldenthal scores could be a good example of Challenging scores, planet of the Apes and Black Hawk Down too.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
    You.
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      CommentAuthorNautilus
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
    Steven wrote
    You.


    I don't know If you are doing this seriously in some threats, maybe you want I say something bad and moderators bann me.

    If you are doing this seriously is a dirty game, and never will happen.

    Sorry.
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
    I think he was being Steven biggrin
    My most difficult challenge has always been The Rite of Spring by Stravinsky. It was performed in Fantasia.
    Tom
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
    Unfortunately being Steven is the only way I know to be. sad

    wink
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
    Has anyone else tackled the Rite of Spring?
    listen to more classical music!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
    sdtom wrote
    Has anyone else tackled the Rite of Spring?


    Now there's a work that truly freaked people out at it's premiere performance in Paris, I believe Stravinsky needed protection to get out of the auditorium?
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorManwe
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
    The Rite of Spring is of course one of the most challenging listens - but I think the only really challenging listen that I regularly return to. It is a highly special work, and it does depict the brutal and primitive story it tells in a fantastic way. But it is not easy to sit through all of it in one session. Some parts however are quite beautiful and others are so interesting from an orchestration or rhythmic point of view that I return to the work for that as well. I looked at the score a while back - really the conductor's nightmare in parts.
    - What matters is the music -
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
    Christodoulides wrote
    Depends on what you define as "challenging".

    I always said that nothing i ever listened surpassed Goldenthal's writing (esp. in IN DREAMS, FINAL FANTASY: THE SPIRITS WITHIN, SPHERE and ALIEN3 but also his solo works, the OTHELLO BALLET and the FIRE WATER PAPER: A VIETNAM ORATORIO). Maybe Krzysztof Penderecki's "threnody for the victims of Hiroshima" a bit, but just that.


    Are we talking both film scores and classical? If so there are plenty of works more challenging than Goldenthal's.

    Sticking to film music I wonder how many of you have heard John Williams amazing work IMAGES? Not an easy listen at all.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007 edited
    On The Rite Of Spring: I really only could stand it in Fantasia, to be honest, where, like for so many, I found myself first confronted with it.

    It only served to enhance my conviction in later years that I am perfectly able to deal with atonal modern compositions, just as long as they have a backdrop, a story to tell or to enhance. In and of itself, it's pointless to me.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007 edited
    It only served to enhance my conviction in later years that I am perfectly able to deal with atonal modern compositions, just as long as they have a backdrop, a story to tell or to enhance. In and of itself, it's pointless to me.


    Heathen! rolleyes wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorManwe
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
    I guess that The Planet of the Apes (Goldsmith's) is the most challenging listen of fim music I have had. But, on a deeper level, a definite masterpiece as well. Sometimes it really is rewarding to go the extra mile to really get into these, on first sight, hard-digested works.
    - What matters is the music -
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
    Timmer wrote
    Sticking to film music I wonder how many of you have heard John Williams amazing work IMAGES? Not an easy listen at all.


    Is that the one that was on youtube and was discussed a bit back in SR? If that's the one, i would HARDLY call that amazing.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
    Christodoulides wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Sticking to film music I wonder how many of you have heard John Williams amazing work IMAGES? Not an easy listen at all.


    Is that the one that was on youtube and was discussed a bit back in SR? If that's the one, i would HARDLY call that amazing.



    No, Images is a film score.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorAnthony
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
    Hmm, when I listened to the 2 hour complete of The Mummy Returns it felt like it was never going to end. Not that it was a bad listening experience, just a long one. wink
    • CommentAuthorTintin
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
    Christodoulides wrote
    Depends on what you define as "challenging".

    I always said that nothing i ever listened surpassed Goldenthal's writing (esp. in IN DREAMS, FINAL FANTASY: THE SPIRITS WITHIN, SPHERE and ALIEN3 but also his solo works, the OTHELLO BALLET and the FIRE WATER PAPER: A VIETNAM ORATORIO). Maybe Krzysztof Penderecki's "threnody for the victims of Hiroshima" a bit, but just that.


    Yes, Goldenthal is often a challenging listening experience especially Fire Water Paper. When I first heard Koyaanisqatsi by Philip Glass at the movie theater, I was literally doing this: crazy When the scene "The Grid" finished, I was so relieved! It took me a while to appreciate it.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
    That's probably my favorite Glass work, ever. Especially the first 1/3 of it.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  1. Williams' IMAGES comes to mind
    Goldsmith's MEPHISTO WALTZ is challenging

    James Newton-Howard's MICHAEL CLAYTON is pretty challenging too. I haven't met anyone who was up to it yet! wink
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
    Heh.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorDavid OC
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
    David Julyan has redefined the concept of complexity in film music with his score for The Prestige.................... wink.........................


    just falling short of Goldsmith's Planet of the Apes which you really have to be in a certain mood to appreciate and tackle head on; there have been days when I've admitted to merely admiring it more than I like it or could possibly ever enjoy it.
  2. I respect Planet of the Apes, but damn I just cannot listen to it. I simply am never in that proper mood that apparently one needs to be to enjoy it.

    Same with Anatomy of a Murder for some reason.
    I'm your Piper at the gates of dawn.
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      CommentAuthorTalos
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
    Compared to Alex North's Dragonslayer, Alien and Planet of the Apes are "easy listening" scores. Oh what a pain that score is. Don't like it.
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      CommentAuthorTalos
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007 edited
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      CommentAuthorRalph Kruhm
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007 edited
    franz_conrad wrote
    James Newton-Howard's MICHAEL CLAYTON is pretty challenging too. I haven't met anyone who was up to it yet! wink
    Sorry, but I think I am. I use it a lot for background music when I´m writing.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2007
    Grimble Gromble wrote
    Same with Anatomy of a Murder for some reason.


    Really? shocked
    I love that score.

    But I agree: it's not too easy. I'm just a sucker for that big jazz sound, I guess. biggrin
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorplindboe
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2007
    If you want a challenge, try Morricone's "Un Tranquillo posto di campagna" (A Quiet Place in the Country). The entire score is improvised madness, not a single melodic note in there. 5 minutes alone with that score and you'll go nuts. I'd rather eat my own feet than listen to that one again. That score is the reason I am this way.

    Peter dizzy
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2008
    Scores like Goldsmith's RUNAWAY are very challenging.......at least, Ican barely listen to it!?

    Not many challenging scores in this generic age.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorAnthony
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2008
    The COMPLETE score of Lair. As good as it is, I highly recommend for your own well being you don't listen for the entire two and a half hours. shame