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  1. @ Spielberg, The Post

    That reminds me of Good Night and Good Luck, a film that I liked tremendously. Also, should Williams do a score along the lines of Sleepers or Nixon, I would be much pleased. So I'm looking forward to this.

    Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorBespin
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2017
    Discography updated!

    http://www.goplanete.com/johnwilliams/music/disco/albums.htm

    (Star Wars Reissued in 2017 as 3-LP "Star Wars: A New Hope 40th Anniversary Box Set", Walt Disney Records)

    Close Encounters of the Third Kind - 40th Anniversary Remastered Edition (1977) (2017, La-La Land Records, LLLCD 1433)
    CD 1 - EXPANDED SOUNDTRACK PRESENTATION: Main Title and The Vision**; Navy Planes; Lost Squadron; Trucking; Into the Tunnel and Chasing UFOs; Crescendo Summit; False Alarm and The Helicopter; Barry's Kidnapping; Forming the Mountain; TV Reveals/Across Country; The Mountain; The Cover-up and Base Camp; The Escape; Climbing the Mountain; Outstretched Hands; The Light Show; Barnstorming; The Mothership; The Dialogue; The Returnees; The Appearance of the Visitors+; Contact; End Titles+; CD 2 - ALTERNATES AND ADDITIONAL MUSIC: ; Main Title**; Roy's First Encounter; Encounter at Crescendo Summit; Chasing UFOs; Watching the Skies*; Vision Takes Shape*; Another Vision*; False Alarm; The Abduction of Barry; The Cover-up; TV Reveals; Roy and Jillian on the Road; I Can't Believe It's Real; Across the Fields; Stars and Trucks; Who Are You People?; The Escape (Alternate); Climbing Devils Tower; Dark Side of the Moon*; The Approach*; Night Siege; The Conversation; Inside*+; Contact (Alternate)*; Eleventh Commandment*; TV Western*; Lava Flow*; The Five Tones*; Advance Scout Greeting*; The Dialogue (Early Version)*; Resolution and End Title. *Previously unreleased. **Contains previously unreleased material. +Contains "When You Wish Upon a Star" (interpolated), written by Ned Washington and Leigh Harline.

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    SOUNDTRACKS USING JOHN WILLIAMS'S THEMES
    http://www.goplanete.com/johnwilliams/music/composer/themes.htm

    Justice League (2017, Sony Classical/WaterTower Music, 19075807262)
    Music Composed by Danny Elfman, Original Superman Theme by John Williams.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeDec 17th 2017
  2. My review of THE LAST JEDI, for anyone who's interested.

    https://moviemusicuk.us/2017/12/19/star … -williams/

    Jon
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      CommentAuthorArtworks
    • CommentTimeDec 19th 2017
    Great reviews, James and Jon. Can't believe some of the negative reviews the film (and score) has gotten from "fans". I've probably given the score about 20 listens now, and it just keeps getting better and better. I have a "best cues of the year" playlist in Spotify, where I thought I'd probably add 1 or 2 tracks from TLJ. So far I've added 6! smile
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      CommentAuthorCaliburn
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2017
    I have written a review of Star Wars: The Last Jedi if anyone is curious about my opinion.

    https://soundtrackworld.com/2017/12/sta … -williams/

    I tried to keep it spoiler-free. Now that I have written en published it, now I can finally read Jon's thoughts on it.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2017
    My two cents on THE POST, as posted(!) on a couple of other forums as well:

    OK, had my first listen to this. I like it far better than THE LAST JEDI -- I'm even tempted to say it's my second favourite JW score after WAR HORSE since 2005!

    I still haven't seen the movie, so I have no idea what scenes these tracks accompany.

    "The Papers" -- shades of PRESUMED INNOCENT, MUNICH and NIXON (all as expected). A surprising presence of pulsating electronics (even more pronounced than the opening of MUNICH). I wonder how much input Williams had in this, or if it was all produced by someone else (Randy Kerber?)? Dark, undulating strings and solemn brass throughout.

    "The Presses Roll" -- slightly lighter string ostinato, with brass as occasional punctuation marks. Sounds surprisingly "contemporary" (think Marianelli, Korzeniowski etc.). Gorgeous string harmonies towards the end. Nice track!

    "Nixon's Order" -- basically VERY dark, slow string harmonies.

    "The Oak Room, 1971" -- sounds like a 'loungey' jazz track with pronounced solo piano and a bass. A source cue, presumably? Very smooth. Could have been an outtake from SABRINA.

    "Setting the Type" -- a steady rhythm builds gradually with exploratory string harmonies, almost setting into a STAR WARS-type march on several occasions, but it's always "cut off" before it gets going.

    "Mother and Daughter" -- Lovely, melancholic piano. Very delicate with shades of Americana. Eventually strings join in. Beautiful! In the territory of STANLEY & IRIS, THE ACCIDENTAL TOURIST or STEPMOM, although perhaps without the strong melody.

    "Scanning the Papers" -- more PRESUMED INNOCENT stylings. Cautious, with circular figures. Not very remarkable track.

    "Two Martini Lunch" -- more loungey piano jazz. Another source cue, I presume. Same quality as "The Oak Room, 1971", although more 'improvisational'.

    "Deciding to Publish" -- Clearly a pivotal moment in the film. Starts off cautious and suspenseful, slightly dissonant. Then at 1.44, a more steady string ostinato comes in -- still keeping it all eerie. At 2:19, the track grows more busy. The string ostinato picks up its pace. The trademark Williams brass counterpoints emerge, as does the electronic beat. It's not a particularly remarkable track (there is NO melody or theme), but I love the gradual build and "riffs".

    "The Court's Decision & End Credits" -- the 'tour-de-force' track. Americana is back, with both brass and strings harmonizing in typical Williams fashion. The rhytmical patterns appear regularly -- Williams' new love of clusters and motifs -- but the vast-leaped Americana melodies are never far away. Some lovely woodwinds here too (oh, how I've missed them!). At about 5 minutes, the faux-march appears for a few moments -- reminiscent of the opening track of NIXON. Superb track!
    I am extremely serious.
  3. Sweet! I'm excited to hear this. Two Williams scores in one month. We rarely get two scores from him in a one year anymore.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2017
    Thor wrote
    My two cents on THE POST, as posted(!) on a couple of other forums as well:


    I'm waiting for a post about The Post after someone's received it in the post.
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      CommentAuthorLSH
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2017
    As long as it's delivered immediately.
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      CommentAuthorLSH
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2017
    Sorry, fuck, I meant post-haste.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2017
    *groannnnn*
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorAidabaida
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2017
    when John Williams brought back the "Tie Fighter Attack" music, I was on the edge of my seat and grinning. What a great composer.
    Bach's music is heartless and robotic.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2017
    Aidabaida wrote
    when John Williams brought back the "Tie Fighter Attack" music, I was on the edge of my seat and grinning. What a great composer.


    I felt the opposite. Needle-dropping themes note-for-note / orchestration-for-orchestration is dull. Why not create something new or do something special with the fanfare instead of just plopping in a cue from Star Wars.

    This is the sort of thing which keeps The Last Jedi from being anywhere near the excellence of The Force Awakens.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorAidabaida
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2017
    Erik Woods wrote

    I felt the opposite. Needle-dropping themes note-for-note / orchestration-for-orchestration is dull. Why not create something new or do something special with the fanfare instead of just plopping in a cue from Star Wars.

    This is the sort of thing which keeps The Last Jedi from being anywhere near the excellence of The Force Awakens.

    -Erik-


    I re listened to the Last Jedi version and compared it to both the original "Ben's Death/Tie Fighter Attack" as well as the "Here They Come" recording and there are seriously different orchestrations going on; not to mention interludes of original music threaded throughout the tie fighter music. He worked it into the fabric of that cue, sort of like Joe Kramer did with the mission impossible theme.
    Bach's music is heartless and robotic.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2017 edited
    Aidabaida wrote
    I re listened to the Last Jedi version and compared it to both the original "Ben's Death/Tie Fighter Attack" as well as the "Here They Come" recording and there are seriously different orchestrations going on; not to mention interludes of original music threaded throughout the tie fighter music. He worked it into the fabric of that cue, sort of like Joe Kramer did with the mission impossible theme.


    There are one or two minor changes in tempo because of the fucking Porgs but the rest sounds slapped on. Totally unnecessary, IMO.

    Kreamer's work on M:I is on a whole other level!!!

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  4. The FYC album of THE LAST JEDI ist available. Check JWFan for further information.

    EDIT: There are five cues on the FYC album that do not appear on the track list of the commercial album. They amount to 7 minutes. Upon first listen it does not seam to be essential material.

    Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
  5. My review of THE POST, for anyone who's interested:

    https://moviemusicuk.us/2018/01/02/the- … -williams/

    Jon
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      CommentAuthorAidabaida
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2018
    Rose's theme is so beautiful and memorable! Took a while, but this score is growing on me.
    Bach's music is heartless and robotic.
  6. I like Rose's theme , but I really love the second theme Williams wrote. The more Dvorak-like (also compared to Sibelius and Grieg).
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2018
    "Rose's Theme" sounds like leftovers from HARRY POTTER. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But alas, it's just a small highlight in a score that never manages to fire me up.
    I am extremely serious.
  7. Rose's theme is okay but likely wouldn't make my top 20 Star Wars themes/motifs, and that's pretty slim pickings. Yeah, I know, film didn't offer the opportunity, no new characters/concepts etc...but that hasn't stopped Williams in the past, cf The Imperial March, A Window to the Past...
  8. Yeah well, but 80s pathos is something from - the 80s. So that Souza style marches are fine and dandy but they depict another era and another Star Wars.

    smile Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
  9. That's completely beside the point. Three of those top 20 (Rey, Resistance, Jedi Steps) would come from the two-year-old The Force Awakens.
  10. You referenced the Imperial March though that - I believe - wouldn't works as well as it did in its native film if applied in the same way. But yes, I miss such set pieces too.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
  11. I was hoping Williams would bring out a "full" First Order theme in this new film (or a fuller, more developed Kylo Ren one). Or else a full Snoke theme but oh well on that count tongue
  12. The whole philosophy behind the franchise seems to have changed somewhat. There is less heroism, less purpose, destination, you name it. Parts of the film feel more like the reimagined Battlestar Galactica.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
  13. Very much so. The whole plot behind the fleet being chased and slowly attacked is pretty much Battlestar Galactica.

    And actually, the idea of making things more complex than they seem is pretty much in line with Ron Moore's reimagining.

    The Imperial March moment in the film is very much in your face, in the way that it is quoted when, GASP!, Vader is mentioned. Couldn't you be a bit more creative with that, Mr. Rian Johnson?
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
  14. It is a direct lift from "Saga of a Star World". Not only the rag-tag fleet being chased by the enemy. Also their running out of fuel. Even the casino planet that promises to be a solution and ultimately fails to be seems to fit in here. Good thing that Canto Bight wasn't run by insectoid creatures.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2018