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    • CommentAuthorPanthera
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
    He can't be the world's greatest John Powell fan anymore. He hasn't liked most of the recent scores.
    • CommentAuthorPanthera
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
    What is Balls of Fury like?
  1. Panthera wrote
    What is Balls of Fury like?


    fun typical Edelman, but like most of his music somewhat forgettable, no Dragon this one
    waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! Where's my nut? arrrghhhhhhh
    • CommentAuthorPanthera
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
    Does that mean Dragon is really good?
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
    Edelman? Good?

    Who came?
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorAnthony
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2008 edited
    There is one thing I must applaud this composer for though - that brass motif from xXx - so addictive. A shame it's the only real part of the score...synths a-hoy!

    Panthera wrote
    He can't be the world's greatest John Powell fan anymore. He hasn't liked most of the recent scores.


    And I resent that! Why must I like everything Powell produces? Horton freaking rules, Kung Fu Panda was great but I'd heard it all before, and Stop Loss was also great but just not my cup of tea. cool
    • CommentAuthorPanthera
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
    It was bad online sarcasm. I'm often very sarcastic.
    • CommentAuthorAnthony
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
    I know, but Marselus would say the same. wink
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
    Panthera wrote
    It was bad online sarcasm. I'm often very sarcastic.


    Join the club. We're a dying breed.
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
    Anthony wrote
    There is one thing I must applaud this composer for though - that brass motif from xXx - so addictive. A shame it's the only real part of the score...synths a-hoy!


    Though it's mostly all synth, I like that score a lot! The MV style action stuff is terrific! punk
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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
    Anthony wrote
    I know, but Marselus would say the same. wink

    I´ll keep saying it until I hear you say you like Ultimatum. Well, not only like it but like it A LOT tongue wink
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
    • CommentAuthormsi2
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
    Some info on the army who was in charge of the score:

    Music Department
    Jeff Atmajian .... additional orchestrator
    Stuart Balcomb .... orchestrator
    Frank Bennett .... orchestrator
    John Debney .... composer: additional music
    Brad Dechter .... orchestrator
    Matt Dunkley .... orchestrator
    Randy Edelman .... conductor
    Randy Edelman .... orchestrator
    Ben Foster .... orchestrator
    Nick Ingman .... orchestrator
    Kevin Kaska .... orchestrator
    Andrew Kinney .... orchestrator
    Christopher Klatman .... additional orchestrator
    Chris Lord .... assistant orchestrator
    Sam Okell .... protools engineer
    Dan Radlauer .... synthesizer programmer: score
    Larry Rench .... additional orchestrator
    Peter Rotter .... orchestra contractor
    Mike Watts .... orchestrator


    Taken from FSM board...
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
    I wonder what it would look like compared to the team who worked on The Mummy? I'm very interested to know.
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      CommentAuthorLSH
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2008 edited
    All those orchestrators and yet half of it still sounds like it was produced on an old Yamaha (motorbike or keyboard).
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
    I'm guessing that list encompasses Debney's team too, so maybe that's why it seems a lot? Well, it doesn't seem a lot, it is a lot! dizzy

    When a new composer is hired on board to replace or add extra cues, I would imagine having a large team of orchestrator is an extremely handy thing considering the time restraints. Not that I'm either approving of or indeed disapproving of such a large team for one score.
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      CommentAuthorLSH
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2008 edited
    Steven wrote
    I wonder what it would look like compared to the team who worked on The Mummy? I'm very interested to know.


    From IMDB, where I'm assuming The Mummy 3 details were found...

    Music Department
    Robert Bayless .... assistant music editor
    Bruce Botnick .... music mixer
    Alexander Courage .... orchestrator
    Sienna Finklea .... assistant temp music editor
    Vic Fraser .... music preparation
    Jerry Goldsmith .... conductor
    Isobel Griffiths .... orchestra contractor
    Darrell Hall .... music editor
    Kenneth Hall .... supervising music editor
    Peter Mills .... music engineer
    Steve Orchard .... music engineer
    Mike Ross-Trevor .... music recordist
    Nick Vidar .... music programmer
    Jerry Goldsmith .... music producer
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2008 edited
    I love Goldsmith THIIIIIIIIS much! love

    Sorry to break it to ya Randy, but you ain't no Goldsmith... but then who is? biggrin
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      CommentAuthorLSH
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
    Lovely stuff.
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      CommentAuthorlp
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
    DemonStar wrote

    Though it's mostly all synth, I like that score a lot! The MV style action stuff is terrific! punk


    Yeah, cause the MV stuff was written by former MV composers.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
    Hmm, so Goldsmith needed assitance from one person in a creative sense, and Edelman/Debney needed sixteen. There's a saying about quantity and quality somewhere which would fit here, I'm sure.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
    Hence I love Goldsmith. love
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
    I wish there was a Goldsmith emoticon.
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      CommentAuthorWilliam
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2008
    Southall wrote
    I wish there was a Goldsmith emoticon.


    LOL biggrin
  2. Updating that credit list:

    Music Department
    Jeff Atmajian .... additional orchestrator (For Debney)
    Stuart Balcomb .... orchestrator (DID NOT ORCHESTRATE ON THIS ONE)
    Frank Bennett .... orchestrator (For Debney)
    Brad Dechter .... orchestrator (For Debney)
    Matt Dunkley .... orchestrator (For Edelman)
    Ben Foster .... orchestrator (For Edelman)
    Nick Ingman .... orchestrator (For Edelman)
    Kevin Kaska .... orchestrator (For Debney)
    Andrew Kinney .... orchestrator (For Debney)
    Christopher Klatman .... additional orchestrator (For Debney)
    Chris Lord .... assistant orchestrator (For Debney)
    Sam Okell .... protools engineer (For Edelman)
    Dan Radlauer .... synthesizer programmer: score (UNKNOWN, but wasn't there before Debney)
    Larry Rench .... additional orchestrator (For Debney)
    Peter Rotter .... orchestra contractor (For Edelman, but could have also done Debney's)
    Mike Watts .... orchestrator (For Debney)
    The views and opinions of Ford A. Thaxton are his own and do not necessarily reflect the ones of ANYONE else.
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      CommentAuthorSylvos
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2008
    This Bruce Botnick dude should have been given the boot. Man the mix on the album alone is terrible. The choir, ethnic instruments, solo vocals, and even the brass section were all mixed even with the string section (if not lower) and I can't hear any of those clearly which is a shame coz they all could add more depth to the score. Heck, what's the point of recording these instruments for your score if you don't want them to be heard? slant
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2008
    Unfortunately that's Edelman's way (not Botnick's! - listen to his Goldsmith scores). I listened to The Mummy 3 yesterday and thought it wasn't bad (obviously it's at the Silvestri end of the scale and not the Goldsmith end when it comes to this franchise), it's just the way it's arranged that's the problem. You've got a great big symphony orchestra there but then most things are doubled-up with big synths which makes everything sound so much smaller. Zimmer does it too, and I will never understand why anyone thinks it's a good idea.
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      CommentAuthorSylvos
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2008
    Yeah, I agree with that... but at least like Zimmer mixes solo instruments loud enough in his scores for listeners to hear. The only thing Edelman did right was the Cello bit. Being a big fan of this Erhu thingy I was sorely disappointed to find its sound dissolved with the rest of the sounds... Ah well. slant
  3. John Van Tongeren (MV survivor) : "Also... I spent a month working with Randy Edelman on the score to Sony's summer tentpole movie, The Mummy 3: Tomb of The Dragon Emperor. Pretty exciting stuff."

    biggrin
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      CommentAuthorSylvos
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2008
    It could be... if it wasn't for this horrible mixing job.
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      CommentAuthordgoldwas
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2008
    Southall wrote
    Hmm, so Goldsmith needed assitance from one person in a creative sense, and Edelman/Debney needed sixteen. There's a saying about quantity and quality somewhere which would fit here, I'm sure.


    There's also something to be said about suddenly needing to write and record over 30 minutes of large epic action music in 5 days, and you'll likely need as many people helping out as possible.
    I consider a project a success when Thor says he won't buy it