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- CommentAuthorPanthera
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
He can't be the world's greatest John Powell fan anymore. He hasn't liked most of the recent scores. -
- CommentAuthorPanthera
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
What is Balls of Fury like? -
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
Panthera wrote
What is Balls of Fury like?
fun typical Edelman, but like most of his music somewhat forgettable, no Dragon this onewaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! Where's my nut? arrrghhhhhhh -
- CommentAuthorPanthera
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
Does that mean Dragon is really good? -
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
Edelman? Good?
Who came?Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2008 edited
There is one thing I must applaud this composer for though - that brass motif from xXx - so addictive. A shame it's the only real part of the score...synths a-hoy!
Panthera wrote
He can't be the world's greatest John Powell fan anymore. He hasn't liked most of the recent scores.
And I resent that! Why must I like everything Powell produces? Horton freaking rules, Kung Fu Panda was great but I'd heard it all before, and Stop Loss was also great but just not my cup of tea. -
- CommentAuthorPanthera
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
It was bad online sarcasm. I'm often very sarcastic. -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
I know, but Marselus would say the same. -
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
Panthera wrote
It was bad online sarcasm. I'm often very sarcastic.
Join the club. We're a dying breed. -
- CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
Anthony wrote
There is one thing I must applaud this composer for though - that brass motif from xXx - so addictive. A shame it's the only real part of the score...synths a-hoy!
Though it's mostly all synth, I like that score a lot! The MV style action stuff is terrific! -
- CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
Anthony wrote
I know, but Marselus would say the same.
I´ll keep saying it until I hear you say you like Ultimatum. Well, not only like it but like it A LOTAnything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you -
- CommentAuthormsi2
- CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
Some info on the army who was in charge of the score:
Music Department
Jeff Atmajian .... additional orchestrator
Stuart Balcomb .... orchestrator
Frank Bennett .... orchestrator
John Debney .... composer: additional music
Brad Dechter .... orchestrator
Matt Dunkley .... orchestrator
Randy Edelman .... conductor
Randy Edelman .... orchestrator
Ben Foster .... orchestrator
Nick Ingman .... orchestrator
Kevin Kaska .... orchestrator
Andrew Kinney .... orchestrator
Christopher Klatman .... additional orchestrator
Chris Lord .... assistant orchestrator
Sam Okell .... protools engineer
Dan Radlauer .... synthesizer programmer: score
Larry Rench .... additional orchestrator
Peter Rotter .... orchestra contractor
Mike Watts .... orchestrator
Taken from FSM board... -
- CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
I wonder what it would look like compared to the team who worked on The Mummy? I'm very interested to know. -
- CommentTimeJul 29th 2008 edited
All those orchestrators and yet half of it still sounds like it was produced on an old Yamaha (motorbike or keyboard). -
- CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
I'm guessing that list encompasses Debney's team too, so maybe that's why it seems a lot? Well, it doesn't seem a lot, it is a lot!
When a new composer is hired on board to replace or add extra cues, I would imagine having a large team of orchestrator is an extremely handy thing considering the time restraints. Not that I'm either approving of or indeed disapproving of such a large team for one score. -
- CommentTimeJul 29th 2008 edited
Steven wrote
I wonder what it would look like compared to the team who worked on The Mummy? I'm very interested to know.
From IMDB, where I'm assuming The Mummy 3 details were found...
Music Department
Robert Bayless .... assistant music editor
Bruce Botnick .... music mixer
Alexander Courage .... orchestrator
Sienna Finklea .... assistant temp music editor
Vic Fraser .... music preparation
Jerry Goldsmith .... conductor
Isobel Griffiths .... orchestra contractor
Darrell Hall .... music editor
Kenneth Hall .... supervising music editor
Peter Mills .... music engineer
Steve Orchard .... music engineer
Mike Ross-Trevor .... music recordist
Nick Vidar .... music programmer
Jerry Goldsmith .... music producer -
- CommentTimeJul 29th 2008 edited
I love Goldsmith THIIIIIIIIS much!
Sorry to break it to ya Randy, but you ain't no Goldsmith... but then who is? -
- CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
Lovely stuff. -
- CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
DemonStar wrote
Though it's mostly all synth, I like that score a lot! The MV style action stuff is terrific!
Yeah, cause the MV stuff was written by former MV composers. -
- CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
Hmm, so Goldsmith needed assitance from one person in a creative sense, and Edelman/Debney needed sixteen. There's a saying about quantity and quality somewhere which would fit here, I'm sure. -
- CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
Hence I love Goldsmith. -
- CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
I wish there was a Goldsmith emoticon. -
- CommentTimeJul 30th 2008
Southall wrote
I wish there was a Goldsmith emoticon.
LOL -
- CommentTimeJul 30th 2008
Updating that credit list:
Music Department
Jeff Atmajian .... additional orchestrator (For Debney)
Stuart Balcomb .... orchestrator (DID NOT ORCHESTRATE ON THIS ONE)
Frank Bennett .... orchestrator (For Debney)
Brad Dechter .... orchestrator (For Debney)
Matt Dunkley .... orchestrator (For Edelman)
Ben Foster .... orchestrator (For Edelman)
Nick Ingman .... orchestrator (For Edelman)
Kevin Kaska .... orchestrator (For Debney)
Andrew Kinney .... orchestrator (For Debney)
Christopher Klatman .... additional orchestrator (For Debney)
Chris Lord .... assistant orchestrator (For Debney)
Sam Okell .... protools engineer (For Edelman)
Dan Radlauer .... synthesizer programmer: score (UNKNOWN, but wasn't there before Debney)
Larry Rench .... additional orchestrator (For Debney)
Peter Rotter .... orchestra contractor (For Edelman, but could have also done Debney's)
Mike Watts .... orchestrator (For Debney)
The views and opinions of Ford A. Thaxton are his own and do not necessarily reflect the ones of ANYONE else. -
- CommentTimeJul 30th 2008
This Bruce Botnick dude should have been given the boot. Man the mix on the album alone is terrible. The choir, ethnic instruments, solo vocals, and even the brass section were all mixed even with the string section (if not lower) and I can't hear any of those clearly which is a shame coz they all could add more depth to the score. Heck, what's the point of recording these instruments for your score if you don't want them to be heard? -
- CommentTimeJul 30th 2008
Unfortunately that's Edelman's way (not Botnick's! - listen to his Goldsmith scores). I listened to The Mummy 3 yesterday and thought it wasn't bad (obviously it's at the Silvestri end of the scale and not the Goldsmith end when it comes to this franchise), it's just the way it's arranged that's the problem. You've got a great big symphony orchestra there but then most things are doubled-up with big synths which makes everything sound so much smaller. Zimmer does it too, and I will never understand why anyone thinks it's a good idea. -
- CommentTimeJul 30th 2008
Yeah, I agree with that... but at least like Zimmer mixes solo instruments loud enough in his scores for listeners to hear. The only thing Edelman did right was the Cello bit. Being a big fan of this Erhu thingy I was sorely disappointed to find its sound dissolved with the rest of the sounds... Ah well. -
- CommentTimeJul 30th 2008
John Van Tongeren (MV survivor) : "Also... I spent a month working with Randy Edelman on the score to Sony's summer tentpole movie, The Mummy 3: Tomb of The Dragon Emperor. Pretty exciting stuff."
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- CommentTimeJul 30th 2008
It could be... if it wasn't for this horrible mixing job. -
- CommentTimeJul 30th 2008
Southall wrote
Hmm, so Goldsmith needed assitance from one person in a creative sense, and Edelman/Debney needed sixteen. There's a saying about quantity and quality somewhere which would fit here, I'm sure.
There's also something to be said about suddenly needing to write and record over 30 minutes of large epic action music in 5 days, and you'll likely need as many people helping out as possible.I consider a project a success when Thor says he won't buy it