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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
    less of in film scores?
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
    Hans Zimmer.

    Temp Tracks.

    Music Video directors telling composers what to do.

    Producers rejecting scores to save an already dead film.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
    Erik Woods wrote
    Hans Zimmer.

    Temp Tracks.

    Music Video directors telling composers what to do.

    Producers rejecting scores to save an already dead film.

    -Erik-


    Verily tis but only truth though speaketh.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorAnthony
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
    Hans Zimmer.

    Media Ventures.

    Sampled choir.

    Sampled anything.

    Tracking.

    Shitty editing.

    ''Music Inspired By...''

    ''Additional Music By...''
  1. Songs!
    If in doubt, let the wookie win
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008 edited
    Tim (not timmer) wrote
    Songs!


    I have no problems with song soundtracks as long as a separate score only release is also available. Batman and Spiderman spring to mind.

    I was also very disappointed that Arnold / Cornell's title song wasn't included on Casino Royale slant
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  2. Choirs...

    ...especially when used without a lot skill by the composer
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008 edited
    Antineutrino wrote
    Choirs...

    ...especially when used without a lot skill by the composer


    Spot on Stefan, that's one of my biggest beefs about modern film scores, I could imagine that if a film(s) like ALIEN or ALIENS were made now they'd be full of choral work, oh, and the former would be scored by Hans Zimmer.

    I love the use of choir in scores when it's done correctly, there was a time when hearing a choir in a film score was rare enough to be considered a luxurious TREAT and not used to cover up some sorry assed composers sad ass attempt at writing music.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
    Timmer wrote
    Antineutrino wrote
    Choirs...

    ...especially when used without a lot skill by the composer


    Spot on Stefan, that's one of my biggest beefs about modern film scores, I could imagine that if a film(s) like ALIEN or ALIENS were made now they'd be full of choral work, oh, and the former would be scored by Hans Zimmer.

    I love the use of choir in scores when it's done correctly, there was a time when hearing a choir in a film score was rare enough to be considered a luxurious TREAT and not used to cover up some sorry assed composers sad ass attempt at writing music.


    Yup. For instance... the use of choir in Superman Returns. I mean, come on. Williams theme alone is enough to make Superman fly... why do we need the fake "awe" of the choir to tell us that Superman is a superhero.

    However, having said that, I do like the use of choir in Spider-Man but I'm sure that Elfman could have done with out a la Batman. But then again, Elfman did use a choir sparingly in Batman but "Decent Into Mystery" wouldn't have sounded so cool without the choir!

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  3. Timmer wrote
    Tim (not timmer) wrote
    Songs!


    I have no problems with song soundtracks as long as a separate score only release is also available. Batman and Spiderman spring to mind.

    I was also very disappointed that Arnold / Cornell's title song wasn't included on Casino Royale slant


    I meant on the soundtrack CD. Obviously in the Bond case, where the song is alluded to so much, it would make sense to put the song on the release.
    If in doubt, let the wookie win
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
    Tim (not timmer) wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Tim (not timmer) wrote
    Songs!


    I have no problems with song soundtracks as long as a separate score only release is also available. Batman and Spiderman spring to mind.

    I was also very disappointed that Arnold / Cornell's title song wasn't included on Casino Royale slant


    I meant on the soundtrack CD. Obviously in the Bond case, where the song is alluded to so much, it would make sense to put the song on the release.


    Well, sometimes these score/song soundtracks actually work where both the score and songs compliment each other. Just check out the wonderful THE COOLER album. What a fabulous listen!

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  4. Heretic!!
    If in doubt, let the wookie win
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008 edited
    Tim (not timmer) wrote
    Heretic!!


    Have you listened to the album?

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  5. Lalala......Can't hear you moon
    If in doubt, let the wookie win
  6. Everybody here hates Hansi, but his name is in every single thread... tongue




    Hey Ant, "Sampled anything" ! LOL ! You told me there were no difference between a synth and an orchestral track few days ago... sleep cool
  7. whos hansi?

    http://www.greatwardifferent.com/Great_ … nsi_01.htm ??

    Why would I hate him, admittedly he was french, but were on our side and didn't surrender in that war, their best effort to date!!
    If in doubt, let the wookie win
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
    To put a positive spin on it, I would like to see a return to the days where composers could be daring, without fear of having their music thrown out because it didn't fit what a focus group sees as being right. Thinking back 20, 30, 40 years ago, a composer could write four or five scores a year and have them all sound completely different, not just to one another, but to everything else that had ever been done in film music.

    So - back to the negative spin, it's so much easier! - it would be great if producers and directors stopped making composers just imitate other things.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008 edited
    Southall wrote
    To put a positive spin on it, I would like to see a return to the days where composers could be daring, without fear of having their music thrown out because it didn't fit what a focus group sees as being right. Thinking back 20, 30, 40 years ago, a composer could write four or five scores a year and have them all sound completely different, not just to one another, but to everything else that had ever been done in film music.

    So - back to the negative spin, it's so much easier! - it would be great if producers and directors stopped making composers just imitate other things.


    Bravo James Bravo! applause
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008 edited
    Oh come on, you want to see LESS OF HANS ZIMMER?

    1) Your exaggerating. Zimmer's isn't around these days as much as his was during that last 10 years.

    2) When he actually IS around, he actually delivers (with some very few exceptions). What you DO have problem with and what you fairly DO NOT LIKE are the hordes of music-less young RC composers, Zimmer is not the one you should blame. Get over it. He's probably the most influential film music figure of the last 15 years, one that has written spectacular music (numerous examples, you all know, i won't go into details) and who has attracted more people and attention to film music than probably anyone else in the genre, and even if he's done some not so good stuff in his career (haven't they all anyway?) it's unfair to see his name dragged like this.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
    Christodoulides wrote
    Oh come on, you want to see LESS OF HANS ZIMMER?
    When he actually IS around, he actually delivers (with some very few exceptions). What you DO have problem with and what you fairly DO NOT LIKE are the hordes of music-less young RC composers, Zimmer is not the one you should blame. Get over it. He's probably the most influential film music figure of the last 15 years, one that has written spectacular music (numerous examples, you all know, i won't go into details) and who has attracted more people and attention to film music than probably anyone else in the genre, and even if he's done some not so good stuff in his career (haven't they all anyway?) it's unfair to see his name dragged like this.

    COULDN´T.AGREE.MORE THANKS D!
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
  8. B.T.
    RZA
    Hanzi Zimmer


    Test audeiences.


    "Iron Man" scores. In fact, less of Ramin Djawaski in general.
    The views and opinions of Ford A. Thaxton are his own and do not necessarily reflect the ones of ANYONE else.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
    Christodoulides wrote
    He's probably the most influential film music figure of the last 15 years, one that has written spectacular music (numerous examples, you all know, i won't go into details)


    Which doesn't mean is a good composer.

    ...and who has attracted more people and attention to film music than probably anyone else in the genre


    For all the wrong reasons.

    ...it's unfair to see his name dragged like this.


    No it's not!

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  9. Erik is right. Very much so.
    The views and opinions of Ford A. Thaxton are his own and do not necessarily reflect the ones of ANYONE else.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008 edited
    But I am going to say that I do occasionally like he stuff but for the most part his scores are so inappropriate for the films they are written for. It's the same generic stuff over and over again. But there are occasions where he will write for a Rain Man, Hannibal, Matchstick Men, An Everlasting Piece, Prince of Egypt and get it right - but that's few a far between.


    Now to address something else... I applaud Zimmer for bringing in younger composers and giving them up front experience as additional composers for high profile Zimmer projects. Bravo to Zimmer for opening the door for them. But on the other hand I feel sorry for these MV/RC graduates who don't have the opportunity to develop their own voice because in the industry they are considered Zimmer clones... cheap versions of Zimmer. Can't afford Zimmer, get Djawadi. Can't afford Zimmer get Rabin and on and on and on. But thank God there are composers like John Powell that can escape from Zimmer's clutches and make a solid career for himself while at the same type developing his own voice.

    I'm also irritated that the Zimmer sound is the new in thing now in Hollywood. Talk about lowering your standards... but should I be surprised. I'm yearning for the days of the late 70's and early 80's where the Williams sound was the "in" thing. At least then we were getting one outstanding score after another. Oh, those were the days

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
    And Gregson Williams. And his brother. And Badelt. Let's not level out everything.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
    Erik Woods wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    He's probably the most influential film music figure of the last 15 years, one that has written spectacular music (numerous examples, you all know, i won't go into details)


    Which doesn't mean is a good composer.



    I am sorry but to write something like THE THIN RED LINE, GLADIATOR, HANNIBAL, DA VINCI CODE, PRINCE OF EGYPT, MATCHSTICK MEN, you HAVE to be a good composer.



    ...and who has attracted more people and attention to film music than probably anyone else in the genre


    For all the wrong reasons.



    Which are? (Apart you not being into his musical style which i can respect but it's far from being a 'wrong reason')
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008 edited
    Christodoulides wrote
    I am sorry but to write something like THE THIN RED LINE, GLADIATOR, HANNIBAL, DA VINCI CODE, PRINCE OF EGYPT, MATCHSTICK MEN, you HAVE to be a good composer.


    Bah! Pounding at the keyboard doesn't make you a good composer.


    Which are? (Apart you not being into his musical style which i can respect but it's far from being a 'wrong reason')


    Because his "composing" style and his sound is what directors are looking for these days. Generic, IRON MAN, bullshit!

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
    Christodoulides wrote
    2) When he actually IS around, he actually delivers (with some very few exceptions). What you DO have problem with and what you fairly DO NOT LIKE are the hordes of music-less young RC composers, Zimmer is not the one you should blame. Get over it. He's probably the most influential film music figure of the last 15 years, one that has written spectacular music (numerous examples, you all know, i won't go into details) and who has attracted more people and attention to film music than probably anyone else in the genre, and even if he's done some not so good stuff in his career (haven't they all anyway?) it's unfair to see his name dragged like this.


    But Zimmer IS the one to blame, and it's impossible to get over it because crap music produced by his studio dominates blockbuster film scores these days. If we were talking only about his own scores then I wouldn't have a problem, there are some good ones, but what he has done with the composing-by-production-line model is to completely ruin film music. I can't get over that.

    If I could change one thing then I would go back in time and prevent Media Ventures from ever being set up.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
    Erik Woods wrote

    Bah! Pounding at the keyboard doesn't make you a good composer.



    I am sorry mate but that is silly.



    Because his "composing" style and his sound is what directors are looking for these days. Generic, IRON MAN, bullshit!

    -Erik-


    IRON MAN is friggin NOT Zimmer's style. Tell me ONE Zimmer score that sounds like IRON MAN for God's sake! IRON MAN is a lesser, cheap style of little to no musical value some RC composers have degraded from the Zimmer sound and which has nothing to do with the former eventually.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
    Christodoulides wrote
    Erik Woods wrote

    Bah! Pounding at the keyboard doesn't make you a good composer.



    I am sorry mate but that is silly.


    No, it's not.



    Because his "composing" style and his sound is what directors are looking for these days. Generic, IRON MAN, bullshit!

    -Erik-


    IRON MAN is friggin NOT Zimmer's style. Tell me ONE Zimmer score that sounds like IRON MAN for God's sake! IRON MAN is a lesser, cheap style of little to no musical value some RC composers have degraded from the Zimmer sound and which has nothing to do with the former eventually.


    But you admit that there is a HEAVY Zimmer influence.... even if it's a cheap, crappy Zimmer knock off... just like Transformers.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!