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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010 edited
    And you've reached to this generalizing comment / conclusion via which - in fact, proofs?

    Dude, some of the world's most important musical heritage was recorded in 4 channel tape recorders / or mono...recordings today are as crisp, crystal clear as ever.
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    It is simply my opinion, and as I stated in the comment itself, it is apparently not as widely held as I previously believed it to be.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    ...which interestingly was actually the point I was ready to make.
    Such super-individualised, hyper-detailed, very personal experiences seldomly make for good discussions...if only because the vast majority of people have no idea what it is that annoys you!

    My father had a dear friend, long dead now, whose bane it was he could never ever visit concerts.
    His sense of pitch was so absolute, he was irked by any instrument being even the slightest bt out of tune. Which pretty much ruled out every single concert with more than one instrument in it for him.

    He never met anyone who had the same affliction (for such he felt it was), and so never got into any discussion on that particular part of musical appreciation with anyone. There was simply no point. Even if he was right, nobody in the whole world was bothered by it.

    And so these observations, as true as they may be, really only generally serve as such: observations.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    Fascinating, I'm glad I have cloth ears.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    Scribe I can't agree with your comment about the live recordings. I'm privileged to be able to attend tomorrow evening a performance of the Mozart Clarinet Concerto, a favorite. It will be performed in a church that I know has superior acoustic qualities, thus it will surpass any recording I currently have of this work played on my equipment. Providing the playing is top notch there would be no way to surpass this. My dilemma are room acoustics and even expensive equipment can't overcome that.
    Thomas
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    I believe I said live performances of popular music?
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    Yeah, obviously Mozart is not popular at all.


    (wink)
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010 edited
    Should I be saying "contemporary music in modern genres"?

    The basis of all my frustrations is my belief in the idea that a live performance (of traditional music) is the holy grail to which all recordings and playbacks of recordings are striving to (and can never really) reach. So I am agreeing with Tom and am sort of at a loss as to how anything I said could be interpreted otherwise. And Demetris seemed to be saying that most people don't care whether recordings achieve lifelike reproductions of live performances.
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    You did and I agree that the amplification/speaker systems they use are at best inadequate. The acoustics in this 150 year old church are superb. The added bonus is no compression control or any equalizing at all.
    Thomas
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010 edited
    Scribe wrote
    Should I be saying "contemporary music in modern genres"?
    No, you should be saying "Martijn, your quick wit never ceases to amaze and confound, yet amuse me!"
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    sdtom wrote
    You did and I agree that the amplification/speaker systems they use are at best inadequate. The acoustics in this 150 year old church are superb. The added bonus is no compression control or any equalizing at all.
    Thomas


    Indeed!
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    Christodoulides wrote
    sdtom wrote
    You did and I agree that the amplification/speaker systems they use are at best inadequate. The acoustics in this 150 year old church are superb. The added bonus is no compression control or any equalizing at all.
    Thomas


    Indeed!


    Doesn't get any better
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    So in other words, we all agree, and I am just making too big a deal out of minor imperfections in recordings.
    I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    In old churches, yeah i'd agree that rarely it gets better, more natural and alive than that! I love Arvo Parts' or John Tavener's works in that field too.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    Martijn wrote
    Scribe wrote
    Should I be saying "contemporary music in modern genres"?
    No, you should be saying "Martijn, your quick wit never ceases to amaze and confound, yet amuse me!"


    'Tri-corder readings indicate the presence of inflated opinions, captain'.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    Christodoulides wrote
    In old churches, yeah i'd agree that rarely it gets better, more natural and alive than that! I love Arvo Parts' or John Tavener's works in that field too.


    If I remember right, Elmer Bernstein's HEAVY METAL was recorded in an old church.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    You're making an issue out of something that should be addressed. As an engineer you can't assume that everyone is listening to music on crap equipment. I agree that a lot of the time this is the case but there can be vast improvement most of the time.
    Thomas
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    Timmer wrote
    Martijn wrote
    Scribe wrote
    Should I be saying "contemporary music in modern genres"?
    No, you should be saying "Martijn, your quick wit never ceases to amaze and confound, yet amuse me!"


    'Tri-corder readings indicate the presence of inflated opinions, captain'.


    I'm contemplating making a quick, nigh-imperceptible gesture turning your tricorder into a pillar of salt.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    Scribe wrote
    So in other words, we all agree, and I am just making too big a deal out of minor imperfections in recordings.


    No, in other words: you are interested in discussing an observation few others seem to have much issue with.

    And that's fine.
    It's not a moral judgement or anything.
    You wondered why so few people are interested, and I suggested a reason.
    C'est tout.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    sdtom wrote
    You're making an issue out of something that should be addressed. As an engineer you can't assume that everyone is listening to music on crap equipment. I agree that a lot of the time this is the case but there can be vast improvement most of the time.
    Thomas


    Me? I never said anything like that, re-read what i wrote. Unless you're not addressing me smile
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
    Martijn wrote
    You wondered why so few people are interested, and I suggested a reason.


    That wonders me far less than the greater mystery of those who choose to express their disinterest in a manner that appears to indicate interest.
    I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to!
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2010
    Christodoulides wrote


    Me? I never said anything like that, re-read what i wrote. Unless you're not addressing me smile


    Wasn't talking to you at all. My opinion on this whole topic was reinforced after hearing another live performance Friday night. What I heard couldn't be duplicated, ever.
    Thomas smile
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2010
    Oh, thanks smile
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2012
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    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2012
    I think D and Tom will find this of interest...

    GREEK AUDIOPHILE

    Stunning stuff......if you have 100's of thousands of dollars.

    EDIT:- just found this topic and realised this is where this link belongs.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2012
    Wow! Those guys are true audio loons!

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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2012
    Timmer wrote
    I think D and Tom will find this of interest...

    GREEK AUDIOPHILE

    Stunning stuff......if you have 100's of thousands of dollars.

    EDIT:- just found this topic and realised this is where this link belongs.


    I've met and encountered people like that before.
    Tom
    listen to more classical music!