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- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
I'm completely lost at sea now.
Who is calling who ignorant?

I'm perfectly happy for you to consider the eating of dogs (which we in our culture may keep as pets) immoral, barbaric and evil and the eating of snakes (which we in our culture may keep as pets) acceptable.
I happen not to agree with your opinion (which, a the record will show, you have indeed given as nothing but your opinion!), and that is fine too. To me it's simply not that big of a deal.

But I'm not entirely sure what ignorance has to do with anything?
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Christodoulides wrote
I didn't called anyone ignorant, i called it (not directly, but still) barbaric, unethical and something which irritates me greatly. As simple as that.

It's ironic that this discussion stemmed out of me throwing away a Jeremy Clarkson-style quip about vegetarians yesterday which led to lots of people saying how stupid vegetarians are. What would you make of a vegetarian coming on here and telling you that you're barbaric and unethical for eating cows or pigs?
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009 edited
Bregt wrote
I like horse meat, it's very tasty when prepared well (by my father that is). I also once ate kangaroo, which was rather disappointing. Dog was quite ok in China,tough very very though. And that's about the most exotic I've eaten.

Can I eat cat when we have our first far-east maintitles meeting D? You are invited.

And a whole similar argument right here. In this country people LOVE Horses and don't eat them.

Bregt, you'd have to pay me ONE HELLUVA LOT OF MONEY to even contimplate eating cat or dog.

EDITED TO ADD :- ( i meant to press 'quote' )

The cats and dogs are killed in abject terror by boiling and such, apparently the flush of adrenaline makes them taste better.

So though I love travel and would love to visit China and have a personal mantra of 'when in Rome do as the Romans do' it's obvious I don't quite follow that mantra in the stictest sense.

However, if we crashed in the high Andes I'll not think twice about eating Bregt if my survival depends on it.
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Timmer wrote

Bregt wrote
I like horse meat, it's very tasty when prepared well (by my father that is). I also once ate kangaroo, which was rather disappointing. Dog was quite ok in China,tough very very though. And that's about the most exotic I've eaten.

Can I eat cat when we have our first far-east maintitles meeting D? You are invited.

And a whole similar argument right here. In this country people LOVE Horses and don't eat them.

Bregt, you'd have to pay me ONE HELLUVA LOT OF MONEY to even contimplate eating cat or dog.

How about 75p and a pack of crisps?
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- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Bregt wrote
I like horse meat, it's very tasty when prepared well (by my father that is).

Hey! I didn't thnk it was still available for purchase! (I don't think it is in The Netherlands anyway).

I also once ate kangaroo, which was rather disappointing.

Have you ever tried alligator?
A very odd, white meat, but ont bad!
I'm visiting a Carrefour soon and will try and pick up some zebra steak. Apparenly it's brilliant!

Dog was quite ok in China,tough very very though. And that's about the most exotic I've eaten.

And that's the main reason why we don't eat meat-eaters: their meat really is very tough and takes a LOT of preparation. In purely practical terms it simply isn't worth the effort.

Can I eat cat when we have our first far-east maintitles meeting D? You are invited.

You get to suggest that once.
This was it.
Next time I'll kill you.
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Southall wrote

Christodoulides wrote
I didn't called anyone ignorant, i called it (not directly, but still) barbaric, unethical and something which irritates me greatly. As simple as that.

It's ironic that this discussion stemmed out of me throwing away a Jeremy Clarkson-style quip about vegetarians yesterday which led to lots of people saying how stupid vegetarians are. What would you make of a vegetarian coming on here and telling you that you're barbaric and unethical for eating cows or pigs?

Now there's food for thought!?
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Southall wrote

Christodoulides wrote
I didn't called anyone ignorant, i called it (not directly, but still) barbaric, unethical and something which irritates me greatly. As simple as that.

It's ironic that this discussion stemmed out of me throwing away a Jeremy Clarkson-style quip about vegetarians yesterday which led to lots of people saying how stupid vegetarians are. What would you make of a vegetarian coming on here and telling you that you're barbaric and unethical for eating cows or pigs?

We would probably eat him.
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
- CommentAuthorBregt
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
I'm very rich, so I can only try.

What about milk? Horse milk, cow milk, goat milk? I only like cow milk actually (loads of it), since horse milk tastes too much like Nutella without the chocolate. Goat milk is okay, but a bit tasteless.
Kazoo
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Bregt wrote
I like horse meat, it's very tasty when prepared well (by my father that is). I also once ate kangaroo, which was rather disappointing. Dog was quite ok in China,tough very very though. And that's about the most exotic I've eaten.

Can I eat cat when we have our first far-east maintitles meeting D? You are invited.

Can i has you for dinner?
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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Timmer wrote

Southall wrote

Christodoulides wrote
I didn't called anyone ignorant, i called it (not directly, but still) barbaric, unethical and something which irritates me greatly. As simple as that.

It's ironic that this discussion stemmed out of me throwing away a Jeremy Clarkson-style quip about vegetarians yesterday which led to lots of people saying how stupid vegetarians are. What would you make of a vegetarian coming on here and telling you that you're barbaric and unethical for eating cows or pigs?

Now there's food for thought!?

DO YOU ALL REALLY BELIEVE THAT IT'S THE SAME THING? IF YES, OK, I REST MY CASE. As i said, this is perhaps my most disappointing moment in MT, ever. I personally cannot believe that you, specific people, actually feel like that or believe this stuff, i am more inclined to believe that the nature and intensity of the discussion and the temptation to annoy me even more is what draws you in. Srsly.
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- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
I sometimes wonder if people actually read my posts.
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Martijn wrote
I'm completely lost at sea now.
Who is calling who ignorant?

I'm perfectly happy for you to consider the eating of dogs (which we in our culture may keep as pets) immoral, barbaric and evil and the eating of snakes (which we in our culture may keep as pets) acceptable.
I happen not to agree with your opinion (which, a the record will show, you have indeed given as nothing but your opinion!), and that is fine too. To me it's simply not that big of a deal.

But I'm not entirely sure what ignorance has to do with anything?

I thought this implied it:

"If you disagree with that, that's fine with me, but basically you would simply choose to ignore a statement of fact. Not an opinion or moral value."
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Timmer wrote

Bregt wrote
I like horse meat, it's very tasty when prepared well (by my father that is). I also once ate kangaroo, which was rather disappointing. Dog was quite ok in China,tough very very though. And that's about the most exotic I've eaten.

Can I eat cat when we have our first far-east maintitles meeting D? You are invited.

And a whole similar argument right here. In this country people LOVE Horses and don't eat them.

Bregt, you'd have to pay me ONE HELLUVA LOT OF MONEY to even contimplate eating cat or dog.

EDITED TO ADD :- ( i meant to press 'quote' )

The cats and dogs are killed in abject terror by boiling and such, apparently the flush of adrenaline makes them taste better.

So though I love travel and would love to visit China and have a personal mantra of 'when in Rome do as the Romans do' it's obvious I don't quite follow that mantra in the stictest sense.

However, if we crashed in the high Andes I'll not think twice about eating Bregt if my survival depends on it.

and forwarded
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
ARGH!
DEMETRIS!!

Disagreeing with a FACT is the same as IGNORING it!
The only way you can disagree with the sun rising every day is to ignore its coming up every morning!
It's nothing to do with BEING IGNORANT.

And you know me better than that: I imply NOTHING. I state my case boldly and damn the consequences.
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Christodoulides wrote

Timmer wrote

Southall wrote

Christodoulides wrote
I didn't called anyone ignorant, i called it (not directly, but still) barbaric, unethical and something which irritates me greatly. As simple as that.

It's ironic that this discussion stemmed out of me throwing away a Jeremy Clarkson-style quip about vegetarians yesterday which led to lots of people saying how stupid vegetarians are. What would you make of a vegetarian coming on here and telling you that you're barbaric and unethical for eating cows or pigs?

Now there's food for thought!?

DO YOU ALL REALLY BELIEVE THAT IT'S THE SAME THING? IF YES, OK, I REST MY CASE. As i said, this is perhaps my most disappointing moment in MT, ever. I personally cannot believe that you, specific people, actually feel like that or believe this stuff, i am more inclined to believe that the nature and intensity of the discussion and the temptation to annoy me even more is what draws you in. Srsly.

What I believe is of no relevance. You believe that it's barbaric and unethical to eat dogs and cats just as a a very large number of highly-educated people in our own countries believe it's barbaric and unethical to eat cows and pigs. There's no point us continuing this discussion though, from what I can tell you seem not to be reading anything that anyone's actually saying, and instead imagining that people are saying things which they really aren't.
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- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009 edited
Timmer wrote
The cats and dogs are killed in abject terror by boiling and such, apparently the flush of adrenaline makes them taste better.

I think you'll find that's only done to dogs.
I'm not even sure if there is any current culture that east cats?

That however and as it may be, now we're talking about a completely different thesis: a moral value on pain and suffering. There is no way in hell I -or anyone in their right mind- could condone such blatantly immoral behaviour as -culture or no- the intended extension of suffering without any purpose than personal physical pleasure pretty much fits anyone's definition of "evil".

That said, I'll eat Bregt.
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Well, then we come on to battery chickens, foie gras and so on.
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Martijn wrote

Timmer wrote
The cats and dogs are killed in abject terror by boiling and such, apparently the flush of adrenaline makes them taste better.

I think you'll find that's only done to dogs.
I'm not even sure if there is any current culture that east cats?

That however and as it may be, now we're talking about a completely different thesis: a moral value on pain and suffering. There is no way in hell I -or anyone in their right mind- could condone such blatantly immoral behaviour as -culture or no- the intended extension of suffering without any purpose than personal physical pleasure pretty much fits anyone's definition of "evil".

That said, I'll eat Bregt.

Who makes the first cut? Me or You??

As for the cats, I'm not sure? ( me an my memory? ) I thought I saw a program about this practice once ( definitely the dogs ).

Not something I would want toi stomach.
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Timmer wrote
As for the cats, I'm not sure? ( me an my memory? ) I thought I saw a program about this practice once ( definitely the dogs ).

Tim, I think this article is referring to that programme. (Warning - some of the stuff written at that address will make your stomach turn; do not read if you are faint of heart.)
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- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Southall wrote
Well, then we come on to battery chickens, foie gras and so on.

Yes.
We do.

And that is a very good point to make.

As for chickens, pigs et cetera, there's great awareness of animal suffering, and meat and eggs from free-roaming chickens are now widely available, so I'll buy that when I can (even against a higher price).

But having eaten -and deeply enjoyed- foie gras, I can hardly claim any moral high ground here.
And I do wonder how to approach this.
I haven't worked it out yet.
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Martijn wrote

Southall wrote
Well, then we come on to battery chickens, foie gras and so on.

Yes.
We do.

And that is a very good point to make.

As for chickens, pigs et cetera, there's great awareness of animal suffering, and meat and eggs from free-roaming chickens are now widely available, so I'll buy that when I can (even against a higher price).

But having eaten -and deeply enjoyed- foie gras, I can hardly claim any moral high ground here.
And I do wonder how to approach this.
I haven't worked it out yet.

Nor me. I try to take the coward's way out and not even think about it.
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Southall wrote

Martijn wrote

Southall wrote
Well, then we come on to battery chickens, foie gras and so on.

Yes.
We do.

And that is a very good point to make.

As for chickens, pigs et cetera, there's great awareness of animal suffering, and meat and eggs from free-roaming chickens are now widely available, so I'll buy that when I can (even against a higher price).

But having eaten -and deeply enjoyed- foie gras, I can hardly claim any moral high ground here.
And I do wonder how to approach this.
I haven't worked it out yet.

Nor me. I try to take the coward's way out and not even think about it.

Same here. I've enjoyed the likes of foie gras and veal.
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Southall wrote

Timmer wrote
As for the cats, I'm not sure? ( me an my memory? ) I thought I saw a program about this practice once ( definitely the dogs ).

Tim, I think this article is referring to that programme. (Warning - some of the stuff written at that address will make your stomach turn; do not read if you are faint of heart.)

I started to read it until I saw how long it was. However, very interesting and I will read this in full later.
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Southall wrote

Christodoulides wrote

Timmer wrote

Southall wrote

Christodoulides wrote
I didn't called anyone ignorant, i called it (not directly, but still) barbaric, unethical and something which irritates me greatly. As simple as that.

It's ironic that this discussion stemmed out of me throwing away a Jeremy Clarkson-style quip about vegetarians yesterday which led to lots of people saying how stupid vegetarians are. What would you make of a vegetarian coming on here and telling you that you're barbaric and unethical for eating cows or pigs?

Now there's food for thought!?

DO YOU ALL REALLY BELIEVE THAT IT'S THE SAME THING? IF YES, OK, I REST MY CASE. As i said, this is perhaps my most disappointing moment in MT, ever. I personally cannot believe that you, specific people, actually feel like that or believe this stuff, i am more inclined to believe that the nature and intensity of the discussion and the temptation to annoy me even more is what draws you in. Srsly.

What I believe is of no relevance. You believe that it's barbaric and unethical to eat dogs and cats just as a a very large number of highly-educated people in our own countries believe it's barbaric and unethical to eat cows and pigs. There's no point us continuing this discussion though, from what I can tell you seem not to be reading anything that anyone's actually saying, and instead imagining that people are saying things which they really aren't.

That's something YOU want to believe i am doing, i have read everything everyone's has posted. And i ask you: what do you believe?
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- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
I think I'll pass. Got the gist from the url... Not the sort of material I'd enjoy reading, I think.
(Thanks for the warning, James)
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Christodoulides wrote
That's something YOU want to believe i am doing, i have read everything everyone's has posted. And i ask you: what do you believe?

Are you now seriously asking James what he believes you believe he believes you to believe?

I need an aspirin.
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
No, i am asking for his opinion on the subject matter.

Btw, i'd really like everyone to at least see the photos in this article you posted above. I didn't have the time to read it, but i've seen the photos. I've seen similar stuff in the past, it's not new to me but maybe it is for some people?

http://www.messybeast.com/eat-cats.htm
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- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
I'm sure you do.
I'm still not clicking it.
It's not the sort of thing I need a visual reference for to hammer down its horror.
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009 edited
No, it'd be interesting to see if your views will be the same after you dig a little into the subject. 'Cause i have largely done that in the past when i was more involved here in Thessaloniki, photos, videos, articles, dicussions. If you don't know the exact cruelty and nature of something like that and which some people do, then it's easier to defend them from the armchair, right?
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- CommentAuthorBregt
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
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