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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
Christodoulides wrote
Erik Woods wrote
The opening cue is fantastic (albeit a Goldenthal rip off,) Howard's new Harvey Dent theme is something I was hoping to hear in the first score and the adaptation and variations on the already existing material is much approved on in The Dark Knight. I find it a much more cohesive listen and far more interesting musically. However, there are still a bunch of cues that are still as bland and uninteresting as the stuff in the first score and the final 16 minute cue is simply one of the most overrated cues of Zimmer's career.
-Erik-
Goldenthal rip-off? How come? That piece screams ZImmer all over it, from all aspects. BlackHawk down in specific AND Batman Begins.
Haven't heard HEAT then, have you?
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- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
Erik Woods wrote
Haven't heard HEAT then, have you?
-Erik-
Not speaking for Demetris, but I've heard Heat, and the only thing that is shared between Heat and TDK is the pulsing strings, TDK takes it up notch by generating it with only one violin
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- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
Erik Woods wrote
lp wrote
NP - Kevin Kiner - The Clone Wars.
I swear, this sounds like a John Debney/Joel McNeely jobber, with competent orchestral fireworks that are destined to be buried under the sound mix. Functional stuff, but nothing exceptional for sure.
Actually, give me McNeely and derivate Debney over this ANY DAY.
-Erik-
Eh, same difference.
Anyone noticed how the 12th track, "General Loathsom & Battle Strategy", seems to incorporate a bit of Jerry Goldsmith's theme from The 13th Warrior? -
- CommentAuthorChristodoulides
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
Erik Woods wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Erik Woods wrote
The opening cue is fantastic (albeit a Goldenthal rip off,) Howard's new Harvey Dent theme is something I was hoping to hear in the first score and the adaptation and variations on the already existing material is much approved on in The Dark Knight. I find it a much more cohesive listen and far more interesting musically. However, there are still a bunch of cues that are still as bland and uninteresting as the stuff in the first score and the final 16 minute cue is simply one of the most overrated cues of Zimmer's career.
-Erik-
Goldenthal rip-off? How come? That piece screams ZImmer all over it, from all aspects. BlackHawk down in specific AND Batman Begins.
Haven't heard HEAT then, have you?
-Erik-
Of course i have but Joker's sound scheme for THE DARK KNIGHT by Zimmer is a completely different vehicle, very close to his own sound, i can't see why we should connect it to HEAT (a very good score but with a sound to which Goldenthal hasn't returned directly since and isn't his trademarked sound either). Just re-listen to BlackHawk Down, "Synchrotone" in particular and the score in general. It's all there. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
lp wrote
Erik Woods wrote
lp wrote
NP - Kevin Kiner - The Clone Wars.
I swear, this sounds like a John Debney/Joel McNeely jobber, with competent orchestral fireworks that are destined to be buried under the sound mix. Functional stuff, but nothing exceptional for sure.
Actually, give me McNeely and derivate Debney over this ANY DAY.
-Erik-
Eh, same difference.
Not the same difference. I would take a McNeely's Shadows score or a Lair styled score over Kiner's any day.
-Erik-host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND | http://www.geocities.com/cinematicsound http://www.geocities.com/cinematicsound/gerhardt | http://www.last.fm/user/cinsoundradio -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
Christodoulides wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Erik Woods wrote
The opening cue is fantastic (albeit a Goldenthal rip off,) Howard's new Harvey Dent theme is something I was hoping to hear in the first score and the adaptation and variations on the already existing material is much approved on in The Dark Knight. I find it a much more cohesive listen and far more interesting musically. However, there are still a bunch of cues that are still as bland and uninteresting as the stuff in the first score and the final 16 minute cue is simply one of the most overrated cues of Zimmer's career.
-Erik-
Goldenthal rip-off? How come? That piece screams ZImmer all over it, from all aspects. BlackHawk down in specific AND Batman Begins.
Haven't heard HEAT then, have you?
-Erik-
Of course i have but Joker's sound scheme for THE DARK KNIGHT by Zimmer is a completely different vehicle, very close to his own sound, i can't see why we should connect it to HEAT (a very good score but with a sound to which Goldenthal hasn't returned directly since and isn't his trademarked sound either). Just re-listen to BlackHawk Down, "Synchrotone" in particular and the score in general. It's all there.
Heat came first.
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- CommentAuthorChristodoulides
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
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- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
I do agree with the Heat similarity, though not as a rip-off. I would rather say that the idea for a soundscape is taken from Heat. This argument is strengthened by the fact that Nolan admits that Heat was a big inspiration for Dark Knight.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorChristodoulides
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
Well that might be as HEAT is a very influential film and score but a Rip-off? Uh-uh, no f* way. -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
Yeah, I don't believe it's a rip-off, just a soundscape reference. Though the glissando in the beginning is something Goldenthal did before indeed.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorChristodoulides
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
It's a glissando. It's been done for over 200 years now
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- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
To that scale?
http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorChristodoulides
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
.....and Chris Nolan didn't direct BLACKHAWK DOWN too
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- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
No, he didn't. Would he want to?http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorChristodoulides
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008 edited
Don't know, don't care. Point is that the sound of WHY SO SERIOUS is already created / developed in BHD before and that wasn't a NOLAN film and therefore no relation to HEAT, at least in the way which you described above. Maybe Zimmer liked the score anyway but that's another case, it's just a soundscape reference AT MOST, as you pointed out before too. -
- CommentAuthorLSH
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
NP: Dinosaur - James Newton Howard
An awesome score, full of emotion and a great mix of gentle and aggressive material. This was the score that turned me into the JNH nut I am today. Fantastic stuff and a firm favourite of mine.
"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" Douglas Adams -
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
Erik Woods wrote
Not the same difference. I would take a McNeely's Shadows score or a Lair styled score over Kiner's any day.
-Erik-
Yes, I know you would. But that's not the point. The point was that Debney or McNeely would have still generated the same score that Kiner's done for this production. -
- CommentAuthorWilliam
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2008 edited
lp wrote
The point was that Debney or McNeely would have still generated the same score that Kiner's done for this production.
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- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeAug 12th 2008
What on earth in Joel McNeely's career suggests he would ever write something like The Clone Wars? I mean, he's even written a Star Wars score for goodness sake, which is nothing like it. I will completely take on board the Debney comparison - it's the same sort of generic stuff, albeit done with far less flair than Debney would have - but nothing like McNeely.As Carl Orff said to his wife after she gave him cheese sandwiches for the ninth successive day, "O! For tuna" -
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeAug 12th 2008
Southall wrote
What on earth in Joel McNeely's career suggests he would ever write something like The Clone Wars? I mean, he's even written a Star Wars score for goodness sake, which is nothing like it. I will completely take on board the Debney comparison - it's the same sort of generic stuff, albeit done with far less flair than Debney would have - but nothing like McNeely.
Because the control of the music still lies with Mr George Lucas. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeAug 12th 2008
OK, if that was the point then I apologise for missing it, but I don't necessarily agree with it.As Carl Orff said to his wife after she gave him cheese sandwiches for the ninth successive day, "O! For tuna" -
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeAug 12th 2008 edited
Christodoulides wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Erik Woods wrote
The opening cue is fantastic (albeit a Goldenthal rip off,) Howard's new Harvey Dent theme is something I was hoping to hear in the first score and the adaptation and variations on the already existing material is much approved on in The Dark Knight. I find it a much more cohesive listen and far more interesting musically. However, there are still a bunch of cues that are still as bland and uninteresting as the stuff in the first score and the final 16 minute cue is simply one of the most overrated cues of Zimmer's career.
-Erik-
Goldenthal rip-off? How come? That piece screams ZImmer all over it, from all aspects. BlackHawk down in specific AND Batman Begins.
Haven't heard HEAT then, have you?
-Erik-
Of course i have but Joker's sound scheme for THE DARK KNIGHT by Zimmer is a completely different vehicle, very close to his own sound, i can't see why we should connect it to HEAT (a very good score but with a sound to which Goldenthal hasn't returned directly since and isn't his trademarked sound either). Just re-listen to BlackHawk Down, "Synchrotone" in particular and the score in general. It's all there.
The Joker's sound in the film, though achieved largely synthetically, is derivative of Goldenthal's use of an orchestra of electric guitars* in HEAT. This is not too hard to believe, because it accompanies a scene which is very strongly influenced by HEAT, and Nolan has made his affection for the film quite clear.
* Mind you, it should be noted that the use of an orchestra of electric guitars was an innovation Goldenthal owed to Glen Branca, a New York based composer who experimented with that ensemble in the 80s. Goldenthal hasn't returned to the sound, because he hasn't scored a mature masculine-themed film since. (I have a feeling this one wouldn't have worked for FRIDA.)
lp wrote
...TDK takes it up notch by generating it with only one violin
Don't be silly.
NP: Arias from Philip Glass operas
Powerful stuff. Very powerful. -
- CommentAuthorChristodoulides
- CommentTimeAug 12th 2008
franz_conrad wrote
NP: Arias from Philip Glass operas
Powerful stuff. Very powerful.
Custom-made compilation or an official release? -
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeAug 12th 2008 edited
Custom-made. It's just 6 tracks actually. I tend not to be able to survive his operas.
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- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeAug 12th 2008
Southall wrote
OK, if that was the point then I apologise for missing it, but I don't necessarily agree with it.
You've heard what happened with the prequel scores right? I mean, we've all know what happen when George Lucas doesn't like something, he'd replace it with something else. The moment I heard Kiner's score, I knew that Lucas wanted to "update" the sound, giving it more edge and what not. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeAug 12th 2008
lp wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Not the same difference. I would take a McNeely's Shadows score or a Lair styled score over Kiner's any day.
-Erik-
Yes, I know you would. But that's not the point. The point was that Debney or McNeely would have still generated the same score that Kiner's done for this production.
No... they would NOT have! Nothing Kiner has written has been up to par with a McNeely or Debney score.
-Erik-host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND | http://www.geocities.com/cinematicsound http://www.geocities.com/cinematicsound/gerhardt | http://www.last.fm/user/cinsoundradio -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeAug 12th 2008
NP : LITTLE BUDDHA - Ryuichi Sakamoto
Brilliant! I haven't heard The Dark Knight but I'm betting this sounds nothing like it!
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- CommentAuthorBregt
- CommentTimeAug 12th 2008
Christodoulides wrote
It's a glissando. It's been done for over 200 years now
I thinkk my wise brain wuklll decide to clode this tipic!How deep is your fjord? -
- CommentAuthorBregt
- CommentTimeAug 12th 2008
Iz closed itHow deep is your fjord?
