The current state of film music

You are wrong. Man on Fire and Death Race both rip from Nine Inch Nail's The Fragile album, specifically the track, "The Mark Has Been Made". It's an immensely creative and influential album despite what you would limit yourself to believe.

Geesh! You can be such an intellectual snob. Please keep on trying to reason why the music you don't like is wrong.

Have a little perspective. The Rock sound is far from dead. It's alive. It's been evolving and symbiotically melding into other pop forms, from Hip Hop R&B to Trance and Dance and Techno. But I'm sure that's not what you're trying to say.

But whatever. Variety is the spice of life and I still hear the diversity in the music scores being attached to current movies. Seems like this thread is just a basic fuck you to everything Hans Zimmer related but dressed in pseudo intellectual snobbery and blind bias.

Why does this discussion allows only the big block busters? Why not mention the excellent work Hans and crew have done with the dramatic scores or the animation scores? Because it doesn't figure into the current shitty state of film music that Hans Zimmer and his legion have managed to imposed upon our aural consciousness?

What kind of music do you want Death Race to have?

I think a discussion like this is predominantly focused on the big block busters because these are the films that most people see, these are the films that are going to influence a wider audience and these are the films that are probably best representing the "current state" of film music?

Perhaps if you go back through the decades you will see that the big block busters had some truly great scores written for them? It seems to me these days that the big block busters are getting scores that are either serviceable at best or take a unique approach which doesn't necessarily lend itself to being great music (which of course is not the main aim of film music, but it's certainly nice when a score sounds good for us score fans!)

I dunno, perhaps we can't see the forest for the trees at the moment.

If you love something, you always do because of a certain level of positive emotions it evokes. One can go so far to try to find out why one loves a specific score, but in the end, even orchestral complexity and carefully composed themes and melodies are just a technical description of a style. You never love a score because of those technical properties, but because of the emotions they evoke. You love a complex score because it evokes a specific kind of feelings in you.

How hard is it to understand that a Zimmer clone composition, like, for example, Transformers, can evoke emotions, too, based on totally different personal taste and preferences?

Let me stray a bit away: If I watch the olympics and see a beautiful girl jumping and dancing and flying through the air, I can´t feel anything else than an utter awe about the beauty of it. Then some jury tells me that this was rubbish and that the girl has managed last place only. And I think they are mad.

What I want to say is: If I like a score based on the emotions it evokes in me, I´m not interesting in technicalities. I don´t care if the score has a simple orchestration. If it feels good in my stomach, I like it. And that´s how Zimmer works for me (despite the fact that, personally, I would never define his music as simple).

People who love Zimmer love his music for the same reason lovers of the Golden Age love the Golden Age: It´s taste and emotion, folks, nothing else. We all love our music out of the very same, simple beatings of our hearts. Why is it necessary to define the frequency?

Out of interest, what do your friends find cool? It's been a long time since I went to India ( 1989 ), then, everyone seemed to be into Michael Jackson!?

90% of them listen to the generic Bollywood rubbish which comes out like everyday. Full rip-offs of Western music, unashamed plaigarism, unoriginal tunes and catchy tunes with incredibly dumb lyrics. Actually, the music and lyrics seem so unoriginal to me that I sometimes can't distinguish one song from the other! Only about 1% of the stuff is actually worth listening. Just my views

Some of them listen to mainstream artistes like Avril Lavagne, Carrie Underwood, Backstreet Boys, Metallica, Linkin Park etc which I also occassionally listen to and so I don't have much problem.

BTW, 1989 is the year I was born!

Exactly. This morning I listened to Silva´s "Warriors of the Silver Screen" sampler and ordered the EL CID box, currently I´m listening to From Hell, and I think I´m in the mood for some serious MV shit after that. Maybe I´ll turn on the iTunes samples from Iron Man. I need a serious beating.

Of my speakers, I mean.

Lp,

I was going to answer and respond logically on all the points you made; but then i figured the following:

1) You're too stubborn and arguing with you (as it's been proven in the past with other members that tried / still try to reason you out) will go nowhere as you insist to repeat the same arguments all over and over again without even trying to consider what others are saying to you, or even respond and contradict on the specific points others make to you; you just reply in a "whatever" kind of way and continue banging your own selfish tree.

2) Obviously you're an uncivilized immature teenage fuck that if not true and you're indeed an adult then you're obviously a terribly immature person who has problems with fitting in with society in a reasonable, grown-up, civilized and harmonized way. I talked to you and debated with you with all the good intentions, and GOOD MANNERS but in your planet nothing like that seems to apply

3) You are obviously terribly illiterate musically 'cause if you think that rock is leading everything today you're either that or deaf (which i know you aren't obviously) or have been living in a hole for the past years. Tv's around you, media, hit songs r'n'b and pop culture is all around you too and Rihanna's umbrella is nearing your ass dangerously but all you hear is electric guitars. And no similarities between DEATH RACE's main titles and the track from man on fire? That's terribly stupid of you and i'd not call my experience as a working musician / musicologist to contradict you 'cause even a dumb child can listen they're the same; i won't even go into discussing with you on "how did you want a film like DEATH RACE to sound" 'cause it's a waste of powers and time.

4) You're a nobody to me, no name, no origin, no age, no nothing but the same repeated childish arguments and lack of logical behavior or reply in a sane matter everytime someone answers to you; as i said you continue banging your own thread. The fact that you continue to hide who the fuck you are makes you even more ridiculous in my eyes. Hiding behind the keyboard and screen? THe most common traits between all people full of complexes.

5) This is the last time i'll address you, if you can't accept that society around you doesn't always spin in your kind of ways and that people can be DIFFERENT with you and you can't accept them, it's you who has serious issues. Either you can go fudge and find a place that suits your needs and style or just ignore me / us, as i will with you]

6) I have more serious and valuable stuff to do in my life with my work, family, friends (many dear of them in this forum as well), loved ones and colleagues than deal with a stubborn prick.

Ta-ta
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Yeah, I agree with Ravi and Ralph. I mean I can enjoy Transformers (yes, I can), The New World, Psycho, Gladiator and Star Trek: The Motion Picture at the same time!

I can also hate Iron Man

Of course, and I do!

I think that the problem is that producers and directors are simply AFRAID of good music in Hollywood.

They never were in Europe!

Is there a list of all the major score releases from this year? (And past years.) That would at least help me to decide whether general quality is declining (which is my hunch).

1... Bottle Shock was a picture that had as part of the target market my age group. It had a lovely theme. http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/b … ark-adler/

2...Dark Knight never had my age group in mind though I found the film to be above average and the score ok.

3...I could listen to She all day over and over and over.

4...I'll likely never listen to Dark Knight ever again.

5...You would have to prove to Hollywood as a group that they are losing additional revenue because of their choices in film music.

Thomas

I thought you had already answered me above? I'll respond to your accusations and then forget that you exist in this thread.



Please, do have some perspective. I repeat my arguments and my foolish rantings because you keep reiterating yours. Honestly, have you changed your tunes based on what other have said?


Yes, call me name as well, Mr. Pot.



Thank you for proving my point again about your closed-mindedness. If you had actually read what I was saying, you would know that no where was I saying that rock is leading anything. Rock is blending in, just like other genres are cross breeding as artists are trying to find new sounds and a new starting point. Your example of Man on Fire and Death Race are only meant to prove that other genres having been assimilating the soundtrack domain. Sure. that Death Race cue is very similar to the MOF cue in guitar riffs and percussive approach, but why should I care about that when I know they're both copying the same source, NIN's "The Mark Has Been Made"? Why does me knowing the distinction between different genre of rock equals ignorance of pop culture? Does my enjoyment of Bossa Nova means I'm clueless toward other aspect of Latin Culture? Or does having a degree in a certain field automatically enables pretentiousness? My question is, does any of this make you a better person than the other person you're arguing about?

Pardon this detour.



All right!!! More insults. Really mature too. Must one have an online identity to exist? Perhaps I'll tout my long musical history and ethnic backgrounds to validate my worth on an online forum. Thank you for showing me your true colors.



I really wish there was an Ignore button on this forum.



Yes, because all I do spend all my days on this forum trying to write long winded diatribe and put downs in a lame effort to justify some stupid sense of superiority against another individual.

To someone who wants to isolate facts, then yes i guess it would appear so. But for anyone who has known me and / or talked with me before in a civilized matter and not jumping down my throat with insults FIRST with absolutely no excuse and while i talked civilized and mature with them in the past, i am confident it wouldn't.

Especially if you have monitored my behavior to others throughout each and every topic or the way i moderate the forum. If somebody (or you for the matter of fact) wants to copy-paste publicly a point where i jumped down anyone's throat for talking their mind or insulted anyone first and unprovoked for, or a place where i showcased the arrogance you hint before, please be my guest i'd most certainly want to know that.

As i said, it's a matter of putting things into perspective, why i said what i said, when and how and the last person i'd expect to isolate the event down as such, is you to tell you the truth and for all the reasons you know too.

But things are getting off-topic tremendously and i this thread is not about me, after all I am off to work.

Good day,

You know Steven, you show an awful lot of maturity, not just in this thread either, if I didn't know better I'd put you at 30's - 40's in age.

There's a big part of me that wishes I wasn't so stupid when I was the same age as you.

Believe me, getting older is no guarantee of wisdom. <-another excuse to use this icon