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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2009
    Chatanooga Choo Choo! cool
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2009
    DemonStar wrote
    The train fight music from Spiderman 2 is a favourite of mine, both Elfman's and Young's version. I think Young's version is somewhat better with the choir and all, but the former is real Elfman action music, crisp and bold!


    Agree, although i prefer Young's version a bit more.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  1. Timmer wrote
    No one heard MGV? It's bloody brilliant! punk

    Didn't notice this from earlier. shame

    Yes I have - and yes it is. Particularly the final movement (I think).
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2009
    What's MGV?
    • CommentAuthorColSharpe
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2009
    Steven wrote
    What's MGV?


    Michael Nyman - MGV (Musique à Grande Vitesse)

    MGV (Music a Grande Vitesse) was commissioned by the Lille Festival, France. It was first performed on 26th September 1993 for the inauguration of the TGV North-European line. The rhythm, melody, harmony, motives and texture are constantly changing and is therefore one of the most exciting and inspiring pieces Michael Nyman has written.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2009
    Oooh, event music. I love event music!
    • CommentAuthorColSharpe
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2009 edited
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2009
    Steven wrote
    Oooh, event music. I love event music!


    I think you'd really like it Steven.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2009
    This is absolutely gorgeous but doesn't feature on Sarde's soundtrack

    Le Train

    Stunning! love
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorSunil
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2009
    I always say Back to the Future III. It contains great cues for Train sequences. Damn good!
    Racism, Prejudices and discrimination exists everywhere.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2013
    Timmer wrote
    Steven wrote
    Oooh, event music. I love event music!


    I think you'd really like it Steven.


    Did you ever listen to MGV Steven?
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2013
    I think Thomas Newman wrote some proper music that would fit right in!
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2013 edited
    Martijn wrote
    I think Thomas Newman wrote some proper music that would fit right in!


    I like the flute work and the warm Barryesque strings at the end but yeah, it's very train-like.

    Crushingly boring compared to something like MGV tongue ( have you heard it Martijn? wink )
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2013 edited
    MGV is fantastic! I can play it forever and then some. I hope I can once attend a concert with this type of music.
    Kazoo
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2013
    Timmer wrote
    Crushingly boring compared to something like MGV tongue ( have you heard it Martijn? wink )


    <this next sentence should be read in Ian McDiarmid's best Return Of the Jedi Emperor's 'spitting disgust' voice> : You ask me to listen to Michael Nyman?
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
  2. Rodney Bennetts Walz from "Orient Express".

    Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2013 edited
    Bregt wrote
    MGV is fantastic! I can play it forever and then some. I hope I can once attend a concert with this type of music.


    Me too Bregt. I first heard it on -wait for it I'm dating myself here- my walkman while taking the Eurostar from Paris to London which made the piece even more exhilarating. cool
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2013
    Captain Future wrote
    Rodney Bennetts Walz from "Orient Express".

    Volker


    A Waltz? You do realise it's about murder? A MURDER train! You can't have a bleedin' waltz for a train of death, crazy!

    Bless you Benny wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2013
    Martijn wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Crushingly boring compared to something like MGV tongue ( have you heard it Martijn? wink )


    <this next sentence should be read in Ian McDiarmid's best Return Of the Jedi Emperor's 'spitting disgust' voice> : You ask me to listen to Michael Nyman?


    freezing errrm....yes your most vaulted excellence, perhaps you could give it a try?
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  3. I did a quiz here once -- back in the days when we used to play games around recognising clips -- and there was a train special. I managed to find something like 15 different obscure scores that had tracks evoking train motion -- funny what you come up with when you put your mind to it. (I wish I remembered them all now! Only Sarde's Train, Jarre's Train, Michael Nyman's locomotive sound from The Claim come to mind right off the bat. Recently heard another one, but not a score -- the slow jazz album Melos by Tsabropoulos and others has a great 'train cue' by the jazz trio.)
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2013
    Here you go Michael, courtesy of the previous page biggrin wink



    franz_conrad wrote
    Timmer wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    I once ran a Guess the Score game which covers a lot of the great ones. But since no lists was a request, I will not share it. biggrin


    Go for it Michael, I'd like to remember what you used?



    And the scores were:

    Clip 1 - Max Steiner, KING KONG, 'Elevated Train Sequence' (1933)
    "A composer known for his at-times-slavish echoing of the image in film scoring doesn't disappoint here. Wait till you hear what this guy does with airplanes."

    Clip 2 - Miklos Rozsa, SPELLBOUND, 'Train to Gabriel Valley' (1945)
    "This acclaimed composer balances the chug-a-chug motion of the train with the disoriented state of the character."

    Clip 3 - Bernard Herrmann, GHOST AND MRS MUIR, 'Local Train' (1947)
    "Bernstein tells a story that this guy thought the Orient Express should have been scored as a 'train of death'. Ha! Like this work of his? That's the friendliest train I ever heard."
    This story about Herrmann is reasonably well known.

    Clip 4 - Bernard Herrmann, NORTH BY NORTHWEST, 'Conversation Piece' (1959)
    "A composer who spoke out against mickey-mousing concentrates on romance in one of the best train-set courtships in film. The woodwinds subtle hint at the motion of the train during all versions of this score's love theme aboard the train."

    Clip 5 - Maurice Jarre, THE TRAIN, 'Main Title' (1964)
    "This composer's harmonic writing and orchestrational ability have often been besmirched over the years. Here his specialty in percussion shines through for a genre of film he's not often associated with. It's all here - the train whistle, the force of the train, the motion sickness..."

    Clip 6 - Philippe Sarde, LE TRAIN, 'Le Train' (1973)
    "The definitive cinematic train score. Without slamming down a simple meter, you get the giddy sense of drifting motion of a train."

    Clip 7 - David Shire, TAKING OF PELHAM 123, 'Pelham's Moving Again Blues' (1974)
    "A train slowly grunts to life and heaves on its way."

    Clip 8 - Howard Blake, RIDDLE OF THE SANDS, 'The Train to Emden' (1979)
    "Quite a shame Ridley Scott can't go back to this composer."
    Turns out he can, but he won't!

    Clip 9 - Jerry Goldsmith, THE FIRST GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY, 'End Title' (1979)
    "This composer scores the adventure more than the train." Weak clue, because I thought most would know the theme. It one of Goldsmith's best themes.

    Clip 10 - John Barry, CRY THE BELOVED COUNTRY, 'The Train Johannesburg' (1995)
    "This composer typically avoids the motion of the train in scoring the emotional throughline of the scene."
    I only got one person who was confused about where Barry had reused the Zulu theme in a late 80s/ early 90s score. Those who couldn't pick the score could usually tell the composer.

    Clip 11 - Alexandre Desplat, LES MILLES: LE TRAIN DE LA LIBERTE, 'Le Train de la Campagne' (1995)
    "A nice impressionistic portrait of a train. An early score from a very popular composer."
    Pretty much only the winner of this week's game guessed this. Fine score - well worth hearing.

    Clip 12 - Danny Elfman, MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE, 'Zoom A' (1996)
    "A pretty good film up to this point jumps the shark, and the orchestra furiously speeds up for the big moment. (Here the composer suggests the motion of the train, though realistically, the train would be travelling at the same speed throughout this scene, so really it's speaking to the audience's need for greater intensity.)"
    This is the moment in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE where a helicopter is dragged into a train tunnel. This is called 'jumping the shark'.

    Clip 13 - Ennio Morricone, NOSTROMO, 'The Silver Train' (1997)
    "Damn, that's some flute work! The composer who has scored more trains than any other makes even a convoy of horses sound like a train! This is not quite a feature film score."

    Clip 14 - Michael Giacchino, MEDAL OF HONOR, 'The Radar Train' (1999)
    "That glinting percussion and grunting brass somehow summon the picture of a train in my mind. This is also not quite a feature film score." The MOH main theme would have been the giveaway here for most.

    Clip 15 - Michael Nyman, THE CLAIM, 'The Train' (2000)
    "Saxophones, saxophones, saxophones, saxophones... Steam train chugging along. A rare bit of image-echoing from a composer known their arthouse work." Michael Nyman = saxophones.

    Clip 16 - Christopher Gordon, ON THE BEACH, 'Moira and Towers Meet' (2000)
    "This composer has remarked of this scene that it didn't need a train motion and such a sunny love theme rendition, but that the director wanted it to sound like Maurice Jarre. Sounds better!" If I'd added that the composer made this remark to me in conversation, that really would have given it away!

    Clip 17 - Stephen Warbeck, CHARLOTTE GRAY, 'The Train' (2001)
    "One of the less popular (and unfairly ridiculed) Oscar winners of the 90s takes over from Thomas Newman, and in the spirit of Clip 4, concentrates on emotion, the train only intruding via a gentle string meter."
    Someone said the use of electronics in this cue gave it away as the composer of PROOF. I was surprised, as this cue sounded pretty acoustic to me. Warbeck drew the ire of many for winning the Comedy/Musical Score Oscar in one of the last years of that award. Thomas Newman composed the scores for Gillian Armstrong's two previous films - LITTLE WOMEN and OSCAR AND LUCINDA.

    Clip 18 - Armand Amar, AMEN, 'Train I' (2002)
    "Composer known more for their documentary scores pairs up with a legendary winner of the Best Foreign Language film Oscar."
    The legendary winner was Costa-Gavras, who famously directed Z and State of Siege. I haven't seen this film, but soundtrack is great and I imagine the film has a lot going for it too.

    Clip 19 - Ennio Morricone, RIPLEY'S GAME, 'Primo Treno' (2002)
    "Now that's what I call a train of death! As the bodies pile up, it almost feels like the train is dancing some wicked two-step along with the killer." Watch the film. A very memorable scene.

    Clip 20 - Shigeru Umebayashi, ZHOU YU'S TRAIN, 'Train' (2002)
    "This composer appears elsewhere in this game. Chinese film." I figured those who recognised the next cue would pick this as also being by Shigeru. Some have asked me whether this is available. The 3-4 cues I have come from the Greek (I know!) 2CD compilation of Shigeru's scores. I don't like a lot of the music on that compilation, but this theme is a ripper. In an interview with BSO Spirit, the composer claimed that there was a CD release of this score in Japan, featuring 10 tracks, but I haven't found it yet.

    Clip 21 - Shigeru Umebayashi, 2046, 'Main Theme (with percussion)' (2004-2006)
    My favourite film of 2006, next to GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK. Wong Kar Wai's 2046 was actually released in 2004 in Asian countries, and only reached Australia in 2006, which is why this one could be released before 2005 and still be my favourite film of 2006. Sorry for the confusion here!

    Clip 22 - James Horner, LEGEND OF ZORRO, 'The Train' (2005)
    "Reminds me of something else by this composer, or perhaps something else by another composer."
    So either it's self-plagiarism or just plain plagiarism. Meaning it's got to be Horner.

    Clip 23 - Mychael Danna, WATER, 'Train' (2006)
    "The last film was simply honored to be counted as a nominee in such a prestigious English-language award ceremony. Faced with a scene involving a train, this composer sensibly scores the emotional climax of the story instead."
    This film was nominated for Best Foreign Language film in recent times. The final scene features two of the shunned widows at the centre of the story waiting with thousands of others at a train station for Gandhi to arrive. Danna's score is a curious mix of diatonic hymn melodies (sounding sometimes like TITANIC, and sometimes like the hymn 'Amazing Grace') and subcontinent instrument.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2013
    Timmer wrote
    Martijn wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Crushingly boring compared to something like MGV tongue ( have you heard it Martijn? wink )


    <this next sentence should be read in Ian McDiarmid's best Return Of the Jedi Emperor's 'spitting disgust' voice> : You ask me to listen to Michael Nyman?


    freezing errrm....yes your most vaulted excellence, perhaps you could give it a try?


    I did today.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2013
    Martijn wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Martijn wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Crushingly boring compared to something like MGV tongue ( have you heard it Martijn? wink )


    <this next sentence should be read in Ian McDiarmid's best Return Of the Jedi Emperor's 'spitting disgust' voice> : You ask me to listen to Michael Nyman?


    freezing errrm....yes your most vaulted excellence, perhaps you could give it a try?


    I did today.


    ......and? spin



    Would anyone like to hear a piece that isn't film music but is a theme for me?

    LAST TRAIN HOME

    This track brings back wonderful memories for me, of a time when I was 25 yrs old and travelling Europe on a Eurorail ticket with my mate Marcus, this warm, rhythmic and melodious track became my memory for returning by rail back to the UK with it's happy yet sadly nostalgic tones ( I hope I'm making sense ), it's odd how this is so intrinsically linked with my memories of that time and yet, I didn't buy the album, which was a brand new release back then, until days after I had arrived home.

    It's still a favourite track of mine and from one of my all time favourite albums, it's simply beautiful.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2013 edited
    Nice track. Hadn't heard that before. It's great how certain music is more personal because of its associations to things in one's life instead of maybe the musical value itself.
    I am extremely serious.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 24th 2013
    Glad you liked it Thor, it's lovely, a lot of his stuff is very melodic, I think there's a lot more you would like.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  4. Of course Michael Nyman´s MGV!!!! Brilliant - listen to it three times in a row and you are going nuts wink
  5. Timmer wrote
    Here you go Michael, courtesy of the previous page biggrin wink




    Ah yes, those were the ones! dizzy
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeOct 24th 2013
    Timmer wrote
    ......and? spin


    My feelings on the matter are clear.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
  6. Markus Wippel wrote
    Of course Michael Nyman´s MGV!!!! Brilliant - listen to it three times in a row and you are going nuts wink


    Guess that's what happened to Timmer! cheesy

    Volker

    PS: Greetings from the North Sea!
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 25th 2013
    Something happened to me??
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt