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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 20th 2012
    justin boggan wrote
    But since you're not interested in such things, as you've said before, it doesn't matter!


    confused

    I'm not necessarily an avid follower of all the behind-the-scenes shenanigans (since so many of these intrigues lack confirmation). But I'm definitely interested in hearing the actual music, especially if it's by someone like Corigliano.
    I am extremely serious.
  1. I'm interested too. Shore's work wasn't bad if uninspired. I wonder what he's done with this one.
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
  2. I bought within a minute of seeing a thread title. That never happens. punk
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2012
    Two scores for the same film with two different titles for the film. Why the secrecy and title change.
    Tom
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2012
    Maybe they don't have the rights to use the title of the film a la John Ottman's rejected score to Halloween H2O which was released as Portraits of Terror by Varese.

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2012
    You could be right
    listen to more classical music!
  3. sdtom wrote
    Two scores for the same film with two different titles for the film. Why the secrecy and title change.
    Tom


    According to the PR head guy, Robin, in an FSM post, the studio requested this.
    The views and opinions of Ford A. Thaxton are his own and do not necessarily reflect the ones of ANYONE else.
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2012
    As it turns out this was a good move as the way the music is presented as a classical work there was no need to know it was even from a film.
    Tom
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2012
    You can't know if it was a good move or not unless you match the music with the film.

    -Erik-
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  4. I think Tom means the album works, even if you don't know it's connected to a film.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2012
    Ah. I thought he was talking about it being a good move to reject the score.

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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2012
    franz_conrad wrote
    I think Tom means the album works, even if you don't know it's connected to a film.


    Absolutely. You could listen to this music and not even know a movie was involved
    http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/m … origliano/
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2012
    You can do that with a lot of scores. Hell, that's Thor's philosophy.

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2012
    It's too bad the album wasn't rounded out with suites from other Corigliano films. I know he re-worked his Red Violin score into a concerto which includes the Chaconne from the original soundtrack recording and three other selections. And isn't there a concert suite of his Altered States music?

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2012
    Erik Woods wrote
    It's too bad the album wasn't rounded out with suites from other Corigliano films. I know he re-worked his Red Violin score into a concerto which includes the Chaconne from the original soundtrack recording and three other selections. And isn't there a concert suite of his Altered States music?

    -Erik-


    How long is the Red Violin suite?
    Tom
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2012 edited
    Violin Concerto, "The Red Violin"
    I. Chaconne 17:16
    II. Pianissimo scherzo 5:24
    III. Andante flautando 6:28
    IV. Accelerando finale 9:50

    http://www.amazon.com/Corigliano-Violin … B000SNUMEI
    (featuring Josha Bell - the original violinist on OST)

    http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp … e=8.559671
    (Buffalo Philharmonic Orchestra featuring Michael Ludwing on violin)

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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2012
    I have the Naxos but combining it wouldn't work, but good idea.
    tom
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2012
    Why wouldn't it work?

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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2012
    It would only work if Naxos would re-record it and then couple it with their own Red Violin recording.
    Tom
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2012
    That was my earlier point, Tom.

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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2012
    They would certainly need to come up with a companion piece to go along with it and it wouldn't be The Red Violin because they just did that one not too long ago. The other company that might have an interest would be Chandos and their movie series.
    Tom
    listen to more classical music!
  5. Just doubling up on a post over in the Now Playing thread...

    NP: Music from The Edge (John Corigliano)

    Aka Edge of Darkness (rejected score) -- released this past year by one label to whom Corigliano fans are grateful. It's a solid effort -- one that unsurprisingly draws on the whole resources of the western orchestra (so rarely tested for films these days), even if the story doesn't give scope for the same compositional freedom as Altered States and The Red Violin did. A core theme for the character of Mel Gibson's daughter opens the score, and closes it in a surprisingly epic way. In between there's quite a bit of a variety to the abrasive orchestral material -- fans of Elliot Goldenthal will recognise aspects of his sound as being influenced by his mentor here. There's a slight reprise of one Red Violin piece in there.

    Now, it's not wonderful. Maybe that's disappointing given the rarity of any score -- rejected or not -- from this titan of the classical scene. But if you were ranking orchestral scores by the quality of the writing, this would be topping your list for albums of new film music out in 2012.

    And yes, there is one thing that doesn't work for me at all, and that's the very classical song for the closing credits. It's not the orchestration, nor the melody -- it's the lyrics, which are in English, and the mouthpiece, a classically-trained songbird. It can't help but feel incredibly conservative. This sort of thing arguably can work for something like Rise of the Guardians (where Desplat's song could be similarly described), given the playful content. But here it just doesn't work. The Kathleen Battle song for House of Flying Daggers also comes to mind. Not a shining moment for me. Arguably a matter of taste.

    We'll never know how any of this would have worked for the film, because of course the score didn't make it. And perhaps that's not so surprising -- writing like this for dramas is so rare these days, it feels like it would need commitment from the producers to stay. I do feel though that for all of Corigliano's stature, it would not have made the impression on people that the original Kamen/Clapton score for the miniseries did. (Mind you, it's hard not to think that the miniseries and the film -- despite featuring the same director -- are pitched at very different audiences.)
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    • CommentAuthorJosh B
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2013
    What I admire about the Corigliano "Edge of Darkness" is that you don't hear anything else like it in cinema today. A cue like "Pursuit" is fairly commonplace in modern classical music but very atypical for a film score. It helps that the music is very individual and doesn't sound like anyone else. Only Corigliano could have written this.