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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2013
    Whew!

    beer

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  1. I find the thread of our friends over at FSM to be rather interesting.

    http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/p … ;archive=0
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2013 edited
    Captain Future wrote
    I find the thread of our friends over at FSM to be rather interesting.

    http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/p … ;archive=0


    It's sad that most people jizz their pants for club releases rather than actually new musical creation. Their most dreaded fear is that somehow the collector craze will somehow stop wink
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2013 edited
    Demetris wrote
    It's sad that most people jizz their pants for club releases rather than actually new musical creation.


    Jizzing your pants is sad... I feel terrible for people that have that problem but why is it sad that people get "more excited" over the club release than the mundane new shit?

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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2013
    Says the man who jizzes his pants and gets inspired by so many new scores (thank God) wink
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2013
    So many?

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  2. Demetris wrote
    Says the man who jizzes his pants and gets inspired by so many new scores (thank God) wink


    Tell us though, have you heard any scores that 'heartbreaking, passionate and inspired' lately? wink
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2013 edited
    Well, i have, obviously, and it's pretty drastic imo to suggest otherwise. Perhaps not in the quantities of the near past, but still a lot of passionate stuff comes from people who do love this genre. If you don't hear that anymore then the old gits over at fsm might be excited to hear that wink

    I don't think re-releasing for a 2nd or 3rd time the same and same old material which already exists in perfect versions and adding some extra bits of subjective qualities just to arouse the fanboy craze, is of more actual value than new music being released. I want more and more great new releases like MSM's greats to find their ways out to the public. New stuff from young composers who are worth it and are struggling to be heard today. More and more gems surfacing, instead of the same thousand-heard stuff we already have and enjoy.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2013 edited
    Varese was up to the very recent past, the prime carrier for major new film score releases; if their output of new releases gets reduced, we will be getting significantly less new scores in the genre overall. I find it very ironic that when something like this might be a possibility, the major worry of many people is their club releases' future quantities.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2013 edited
    Demetris wrote
    I don't think re-releasing for a 2nd or 3rd time the same and same old material which already exists in perfect versions and adding some extra bits of subjective qualities just to arouse the fanboy craze, is of more actual value than new music being released.


    But what if you are a new film music fan and missed out on the first and second release because they are out of print and stupidly expensive on the second hand market. I have ZERO problem with re-releases of older scores if they go out of print. Actually, they should have never been limited in the first place but that's a whole other debate.

    Demetris wrote
    I want more and more great new releases like MSM's greats to find their ways out to the public. New stuff from young composers who are worth it and are struggling to be heard today.


    But even some of those releases leave you scratching your head. All the enthusiasm of the PR suggests the second coming of Steiner but utterly disappoints when you hear the album. Not every new score needs a release.

    Demetris wrote
    More and more gems surfacing, instead of the same thousand-heard stuff we already have and enjoy.


    Again, you might own it but what about all the new soundtrack fans out there that can't find them any more?

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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2013
    Demetris wrote
    Varese was up to the very recent past, the prime carrier for major new film score releases; if their output of new releases gets reduced, we will be getting significantly less new scores in the genre overall. I find it very ironic that when something like this might be a possibility, the major worry of many people is their club releases' future quantities.


    There are plenty of labels releasing new music. Watertower, Lakeshore, Sony, etc. And the article states that Varese will be putting out 60 new albums this year... up from the 40 they did last year.

    -Erik-
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  3. Not every new score needs a release? I completely agree. MSM's catalogue - IMO - has a whole spectrum of scores - from great and accomplished scores that needed a release. Listening to some of the others, I can't see how people can sit through the whole score as an enjoyable experience.

    I don't want to single out MSM, there are several labels whose catalogue baffles me in terms of some of their choices - Lakeshore for example.
    The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn
  4. Uh oh - he didn't spot the joke! wink
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2013
    Shit!

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  5. Not you! wink
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2013
    Double shit!

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      CommentAuthormoviescore
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2013 edited
    Cutting Edge has been a client of mine for some time now. I have produced about a dozen soundtrack albums for them release under their label Pale Blue.

    Any fan of film music should hold Cutting Edge in high regard is they run a fund that actually finances the recording of film scores.

    Their acquisition of Varese Sarabande is perhaps the biggest soundtrack biz news in a decade (even the fact that they made the NY Times is proof enough). I don't know yet what it will actually result in, but this development is - to say the least - very interesting.

    mc
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2013
    Thanks for the inside info, Mikael. I can't believe how many negative comments I've read since the announcement of the accusation. How can this be nothing but good news.

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2013
    Demetris wrote
    Varese was up to the very recent past, the prime carrier for major new film score releases; if their output of new releases gets reduced, we will be getting significantly less new scores in the genre overall. I find it very ironic that when something like this might be a possibility, the major worry of many people is their club releases' future quantities.


    I understand your sentiment but you're possibly aiming at the wrong target. As well as being the prime carrier for major new film score releases, they've also historically been the prime carrier for releases of genuine classic film music (though FSM and Intrada have also carried that torch). In recent years, it would take a brave man to argue that the brand new film music they've released has been of greater value than the classic film music. Their most recent two regular releases were by Ramin Djawadi and Steve Jablonsky. Their most recent Club batch included music by Jerry Goldsmith, Bruce Broughton, John Scott, Michael Kamen and Maurice Jarre. I remember not that many years ago, a click on the "Upcoming Releases" section of Varese's website would almost invariably show at least one new score by Jerry Goldsmith or Elmer Bernstein or Michael Kamen or Basil Poledouris would be coming out within the next 3-4 weks; but of course those days are gone and I can't say many of the new scores they've released over the last five years have been all that good (which isn't their fault, of course - they don't know what the music's going to be like when they sign the deal to release it).
  6. Erik Woods wrote
    I can't believe how many negative comments I've read since the announcement of the accusation. How can this be nothing but good news.

    The fact that it signals a change to the status quo is the first thing that springs to mind. This may be the main reason for a lot of the negative comments. Even though it seems that how things were was not being particularly successful - hence the sale?

    My own comments really spring from my own experience (though very limited) of groups who come in with investment money.

    Things will undoubtedly change. As Mikael mentions, they have a strong presence in a variety of areas of film music - right from supporting the generation of film music by making it easier to fund they type of music filmmakers want for their films (being composed by composers who they want to hire but couldn't otherwise afford) through to having an avenue for commercialising the music for sale, etc.

    It will be interesting to see how it all turns out and whether the people who buy film music adopt the changes.
    The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorCaliburn
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2013
    Erik Woods wrote
    Thanks for the inside info, Mikael. I can't believe how many negative comments I've read since the announcement of the accusation. How can this be nothing but good news.


    It is a change. People are afraid of what will happen.
  7. Better a living label than one dead on its feet.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2013
    Well it's natural that every big change causes some stir; nothing serious or unexpected anyway. Time will tell.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorfrancis
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2013
    Caliburn wrote
    It is a change. People are afraid of what will happen.


    Indeed. It's amazing how much speculation one article can generate in the score community and to what extremes the scenarios range based on 'PR' talk that holds no concrete promise.
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2013
    Southall wrote
    In recent years, it would take a brave man to argue that the brand new film music they've released has been of greater value than the classic film music. Their most recent two regular releases were by Ramin Djawadi and Steve Jablonsky


    If the film music album industry is interested in growing its customer base, then yes, those could easily be considered to be of greater value in a financial sense. Those are the gateway drugs. I may be more interested in Desplat and Velazquez now, but my first two film score purchases were scores by Trevor Rabin and Klaus Badelt.
    I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2013 edited
    Scribe wrote
    Southall wrote
    In recent years, it would take a brave man to argue that the brand new film music they've released has been of greater value than the classic film music. Their most recent two regular releases were by Ramin Djawadi and Steve Jablonsky


    If the film music album industry is interested in growing its customer base, then yes, those could easily be considered to be of greater value in a financial sense. Those are the gateway drugs. I may be more interested in Desplat and Velazquez now, but my first two film score purchases were scores by Trevor Rabin and Klaus Badelt.


    Hey, it's called life. It goes on, things keep changing smile Imagine today's kids which will be tomorrow's film score lovers and reviewers, growing up with Jablonsky and Djawadi, how will they nag about film music 20-30 years later? wink
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2013
    Demetris wrote
    Scribe wrote
    Southall wrote
    In recent years, it would take a brave man to argue that the brand new film music they've released has been of greater value than the classic film music. Their most recent two regular releases were by Ramin Djawadi and Steve Jablonsky


    If the film music album industry is interested in growing its customer base, then yes, those could easily be considered to be of greater value in a financial sense. Those are the gateway drugs. I may be more interested in Desplat and Velazquez now, but my first two film score purchases were scores by Trevor Rabin and Klaus Badelt.


    Hey, it's called life. It goes on, things keep changing smile Imagine today's kids which will be tomorrow's film score lovers and reviewers, growing up with Jablonsky and Djawadi, how will they nag about film music 20-30 years later? wink


    It'll all be retro with people going back to Korngold etc because ALL film music really will be done by RC wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2013
    That's the good outcome.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2013 edited
    Demetris wrote
    That's the good outcome.


    The bad that it's all being done by the future generations of RZA's and BT's wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2013
    ...or Zimmer mk I, Zimmer mk II, Zimmer mk III, Zimmer mk IV etc.....remarkably they ALL look like Hans Zimmer.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt