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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
lp wrote
Timmer wrote
lp wrote
Kevin Scarlet wrote
lp wrote
Steven wrote
^FICTION.
Yup! It's definitely fictional that Skyfall is a unique score. It's quite bland.
Fascinating how some people consider it "bland" and "weak." On the other hand, I've been playing the score more or less non-stop since December.
People's taste differ from one another?
NP: Jurassic Park - John Williams
One of my favorite John Williams score. And there aren't that many.
People's taste really do differ from one another don't they?
Yeah, I find that I like John Williams when his albums can function as just a listening experience, linearly from beginning to end. Or just in individual cues. There'd be scores where I like only a few cues, but the whole thing isn't great.
Ah, okay, I see. I do miss the days when an artist was able to indulge in putting an album together.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
The Salamander - J Goldsmith
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- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
Edmund Meinerts wrote
I didn't like it much. Just finished listening to it. Definitely in the Hunger Games vein of tense underscore and very little action music (I assume the film's action sequences are left largely unscored).
Ah....little action, you say? That makes it interesting right there.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorEdmund Meinerts
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
Thor wrote
Edmund Meinerts wrote
I didn't like it much. Just finished listening to it. Definitely in the Hunger Games vein of tense underscore and very little action music (I assume the film's action sequences are left largely unscored).
Ah....little action, you say? That makes it interesting right there.
Vice versa for me.
There is the occasional action sequence, but never longer than a minute or so, and they're relatively few and far between..."Ghosting" is probably the best of them (and even that's just a two-minute sequence within an almost five-minute cue). That wouldn't be an issue except that what's in between isn't generally all that interesting or engaging. A lot of dissonant, percussive underscore punctuated by the occasional thematic moment that isn't nearly as memorable as we all know JNH can be.
And it's yet another JNH album with an unsatisfactory, undermixed choir. He needs to stop doing that. Now.
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
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- CommentAuthorCaptain Future
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
NP: The Golden Compass - Alexander Desplat
Better than I remembered it.
VolkerBach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
Captain Future wrote
NP: The Golden Compass - Alexander Desplat
Better than I remembered it.
Volker
It's one of those scores I find more rewarding with each successive listen.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorCaptain Future
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
Timmer wrote
Captain Future wrote
NP: The Golden Compass - Alexander Desplat
Better than I remembered it.
Volker
It's one of those scores I find more rewarding with each successive listen.
And it has Kate Bush, hasn't it?
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
It does but it's not that great a track really.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorCaptain Future
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
Due to a thread I'm just reading on FSM:
NP: Dr Who Series 5 - Murray Gold
That is everything I have from that series. I have to admit I don't know anything about "Dr Who". Germany has never been "Who" territory really. I do have the original theme on some ancient compilation, but that's it.
Now, this is basically very good tv-scoring. For whatever reason I seldom return to it and never felt any urge to get further releases from that series. In a way it's rather forgettable.
Yet now, that I listen to it, I enjoy it.
VolkerBach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
Edmund Meinerts wrote
Thor wrote
Edmund Meinerts wrote
I didn't like it much. Just finished listening to it. Definitely in the Hunger Games vein of tense underscore and very little action music (I assume the film's action sequences are left largely unscored).
Ah....little action, you say? That makes it interesting right there.
Vice versa for me.
There is the occasional action sequence, but never longer than a minute or so, and they're relatively few and far between..."Ghosting" is probably the best of them (and even that's just a two-minute sequence within an almost five-minute cue). That wouldn't be an issue except that what's in between isn't generally all that interesting or engaging. A lot of dissonant, percussive underscore punctuated by the occasional thematic moment that isn't nearly as memorable as we all know JNH can be.
And it's yet another JNH album with an unsatisfactory, undermixed choir. He needs to stop doing that. Now.
A lot of people have commented how the action music sounds RCP to them. To me it's more like a non-thematic twist on The Village!http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
NP : THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER - Basil Poledouris
Excellent score!On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
Captain Future wrote
Due to a thread I'm just reading on FSM:
NP: Dr Who Series 5 - Murray Gold
Now, this is basically very good tv-scoring. For whatever reason I seldom return to it and never felt any urge to get further releases from that series. In a way it's rather forgettable.
Yet now, that I listen to it, I enjoy it.
Volker
I have the same problem with the Dr. Who scores. Technically these scores are undoubtedly very impressive, and I can easily see why they're so popular - but I'd take Lost over Gold's scores any day. Giacchino builds and develops themes quite unlike any other TV score I can think of, and the albums all have a strong narrative. And that's what I find lacking in these scores (even though the music is technically impressive).
I'm also as much a Who fan as Thor is a Trekkie. -
- CommentAuthorCaptain Future
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
It's easy listening. Like bar piano: Pleasant to listen to but the moment it stops you wont remember a tad.Bach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
franz_conrad wrote
Kevin Scarlet wrote
PawelStroinski wrote
I really, really liked Skyfall. I didn't find it generic at all and in fact I found it to be one of the most intelligent action scores written in recent times.
I particularly enjoy the fact that he decided to hint at the Bond sound rather than making it purely a Barry rehash, which I believe was Arnold's basic method to write a Bond score. It's very much a Thomas Newman score, but featuring references to the sound that are subtle, yet noticeable.
I'll give two examples - first, the beginning of the film. The thematic brass hit that starts the film put me more in the 007 world than anything Arnold has written for the series, to be honest. It's a bold reference, saying, yes, this IS a James Bond movie, even without the gunbarrel sequence (which, as they said, couldn't fit into the beginning shot, so they put it at the end of the film). Subtle, bold, noticeable and very telling of what world are we going to enter.
Second big moment (except the song quotation in Komodo Dragon, a very Barry-like track conventionally, too) is the cue New Digs. This is pure Thomas Newman in harmony and melody (possibly recalling scores like, for example, Road to Perdition) and yet very Bondish. How?
Stephen Woolston once commented about Barry's action music structure, noticing how he built his action cues around a 3 + 3 + 2 pattern. It's more simple than it looks here - Barry basically wrote his action cues in the 8/8 meter, rather than 4/4, which may explain why his action music isn't such high on tempo as some action music, especially recently is. An 8/8 piece is simply two times as slow as its 4/4 counterpart. Now, where is the subtle difference? In accents. In 4/4 you have two accents falling at the first and third quarter note (I apologize for not knowing the British terms anymore, I used to but things like semiquavers and all are just too difficult for me to remember
) of the measure (or if you prefer, bar): TA ta TA ta. In 8/8 and that's what Barry used beautiful, it's the first, fourth and seventh note of the measure/bar, having three accents falling like that TAtata TAtata TAta. Barry has based a lot of his action music (up to as long as at least Across the Sea of Time, cf. Subway Ride) on this pattern.
Thomas Newman takes the general Bond approach in the track, using a subtle, yet pronounced of the 8/8 pattern and adding subtle electric guitar to it, while in the string writing retaining his own style. It's these little moments that make the score stand out as being Newman's own and yet a part of the family to me.
Also, one last thing. Christian Clemmensen complained how the Severine theme (the closest thing to a love theme the film got, but if you look at the movie, the closest thing to a Bond girl the film would get, would be actually M, not Severine, who is dispatched as soon as it gets) doesn't appear anywhere except the eponymous track... He didn't properly listen into it - the theme has very nicely pronounced contrapunctual appearance (under the song's melody, that is) in Komodo Dragon.
Holy crap, this is the best Skyfall review I've ever read (and I've read almost all of them).
I like how you reference Clemmensen too. He knows his music but I don't think he gets Newman at all.
Sorry to continue the quoting of large chunks, but I also wanted to compliment a fine post. I get that this thread is mostly meant to be chatty, but it's nice to see a bit of substance here.
Thank you. I'd love to write more of this, but I guess everyone else hates it...http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
Steven wrote
Captain Future wrote
Due to a thread I'm just reading on FSM:
NP: Dr Who Series 5 - Murray Gold
Now, this is basically very good tv-scoring. For whatever reason I seldom return to it and never felt any urge to get further releases from that series. In a way it's rather forgettable.
Yet now, that I listen to it, I enjoy it.
Volker
I have the same problem with the Dr. Who scores. Technically these scores are undoubtedly very impressive, and I can easily see why they're so popular - but I'd take Lost over Gold's scores any day. Giacchino builds and develops themes quite unlike any other TV score I can think of, and the albums all have a strong narrative. And that's what I find lacking in these scores (even though the music is technically impressive).
I'm also as much a Who fan as Thor is a Trekkie.
That's funny, because I'm now a fan of the new WHO and starting to explore the earlier ones for further cementation (or not). I don't see that happening to TREK any time soon.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorCaptain Future
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
I just revisited the "Ultimate War Cues" from the expanded Hook edition (Williams). Somehow I fail to notice any fluctuations in volume.
I love to revisit this edition for listening to certain cues. As a coherent listening experiance however I do prefer the original album.
This is one of the few occasions on this matter where I side with Thor.
VolkerBach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
Captain Future wrote
I just revisited the "Ultimate War Cues" from the expanded Hook edition (Williams). Somehow I fail to notice any fluctuations in volume.
Oh, they're there! Micro edits, false endings and beginnings to certains tracks, volume fluctuations and loops.
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- CommentAuthorJosh B
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
Apollo 13- James Horner
One of my favorite scores from Horner. The recording sessions were recently leaked but as usual with sessions, they include a lot of extraneous cues which work great for the movie but not so much out of it. The promo remains the best way to experience this great work (which should have gotten the Oscar). -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
Josh B wrote
Apollo 13- James Horner
One of my favorite scores from Horner. The recording sessions were recently leaked but as usual with sessions, they include a lot of extraneous cues which work great for the movie but not so much out of it. The promo remains the best way to experience this great work (which should have gotten the Oscar).
I love the score too. In fact, here's one of the rare cases where I would actually be interested in a slight expansion of the regular soundtrack (and relegate songs and score to separate portions of the album).I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeMay 27th 2013
All they need to do is release the promo score only version commercially. It's a great album!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeMay 28th 2013
Erik Woods wrote
All they need to do is release the promo score only version commercially. It's a great album!
-Erik-
Yeah, I've always wanted that, but never found it to an affordable price.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 28th 2013
Erik Woods wrote
All they need to do is release the promo score only version commercially. It's a great album!
-Erik-
I have it but yeah, I agree.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeMay 28th 2013
Steven wrote
Southall wrote
After Earth - JNH
Frustrating album because there's some truly superb material but also a lot of filler.
Best score I've heard this year.* (If you don't count Frozen Planet as a 2013 score.)
*Or, more accurately, best music I've heard in a score this year.
There's a very good 30 minute album in amongst all that filler:
The History of Man
I'm Not Advancing You
Pack Your Bags
Leaving Nova Prime
Kitai Finds Cypher
Baboons (edited to play from 1:14)
Kitai on Earth
Run to the Falls
Saved by the Bird
The Tail
Leech
See the Peak
Run to the Volcano (a fade out on the end as this is part of one cue split into three tracks)
Ghosting
I Wanna Work with Mom
After Earth
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- CommentAuthorEdmund Meinerts
- CommentTimeMay 28th 2013
Steven wrote
There's a very good 30 minute album in amongst all that filler:
The History of Man
I'm Not Advancing You
Pack Your Bags
Leaving Nova Prime
Kitai Finds Cypher
Baboons (edited to play from 1:14)
Kitai on Earth
Run to the Falls
Saved by the Bird
The Tail
Leech
See the Peak
Run to the Volcano (a fade out on the end as this is part of one cue split into three tracks)
Ghosting
I Wanna Work with Mom
After Earth
31:17
Yeah, that looks like a good slimming-down of the score (I cut "Baboons" the way you did as well, good old Audacity
), but even that doesn't really hold a candle to JNH's best. The filler doesn't help, obviously, but even the better side of this score doesn't reach nearly as high as I'd have hoped.
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- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeMay 28th 2013
I still think 'After Earth' (the track, not the score) is the best thing I've heard this year. But yes, it's got painfully few highlights, perhaps even in this 30 minute playlist. -
- CommentAuthorEdmund Meinerts
- CommentTimeMay 28th 2013
Steven wrote
I still think 'After Earth' (the track, not the score) is the best thing I've heard this year. But yes, it's got painfully few highlights, perhaps even in this 30 minute playlist.
Pretty good cue, yes. I really wish the theme heard in "Leaving Nova Prime" was given a longer/more satisfying airing, though. If JNH had integrated it into that last cue somehow I might be willing to call it the best of the year. As it is, it just feels like the best parts of the score have somehow gone missing. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeMay 28th 2013 edited
So the best score of the year has 'filler' that you just cut out and never listen to again?
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeMay 28th 2013
I did write a little footnote.
(Though was perhaps a little hasty on that remark.)
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- CommentAuthorBregt
- CommentTimeMay 28th 2013 edited
I think Jablonsky's Pain and Gain is the best score of 2013 though. When you cut out all the tracks there's some good tranquil pieces left that create a rather foreboding and self reflecting experience. Sometimes that's all you need.Kazoo
