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  1. Christodoulides wrote
    Good points but there are "dramatists" who can equally compose good as well, imo. Programme music has been around for ages with Sibelius being just one bright example ....


    But most of the music Sibelius wrote was not programme music. He wrote some excellent programme music, but it wasn't his defining work (IMO) or a limitation of his technique.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2008
    It's just an example. Isolate his programme music and talk only about it if you want wink Other examples would include operas, ballets so you can see where i am going with it.
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  2. Of course, we could also discuss Berlioz and his Symphonie Fantastique (a work completely forgotten in its influence on film music convention, methinks) or Wagner's works.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2008
    Exactly, nothing limits programme music and its dramatists in relation to plain concert music, imo.
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2008
    Steiner, studying Wagner as he did started it all with Kong.
    Thomas smile
    listen to more classical music!
  3. Yeah, and Mahler students also were by the start. I know that Korngold studied with Mahler, not sure about Steiner.
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2008
    Steiner was more on the Strauss side, in fact related.
    thomas smile
    listen to more classical music!
  4. Richard or the Johanns?
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeOct 13th 2008
    listen to Steiner and it is quite obvious
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeOct 24th 2008
    I must say I'm quite impressed with Flash of Genius/Zigman. A sort of throwback but then it should be considering the topic which is inventor vs car companies.
    Thomas smile
    listen to more classical music!
  5. What style is it written in?
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeOct 24th 2008
    There is actually a little bit of a funky Jimmy Smith in Zigman along with melody, a LA Confidental lonely trumpet. Quite nice
    Thomas
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2021 edited
    Personally, I think the state of film music is absolutely fine. But you have to look beyond the confines of mainstream Hollywood films. There's a lot of great stuff out there -- the question is only: Are you willing to explore?
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    • CommentAuthorJoep
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2021
    The technical improvements have made a huge difference, but other than that, I entirely agree.
  6. Yes, the state of film music is ok. Probably just as good/bad as it has always been. I think that it's just peoples' opinions are louder or have more outlets and the negative opinions tend to also be louder.

    It is definitely worth looking beyond the confines of what you usually look at. But, as with mainstream Hollywood films, there's a lot of uninteresting music out on the fringes to trawl through to find the gems.
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  7. I think Covid-19 has had a negative impact on film music (at least, the sort I most enjoy). The primary issue I think is that recording an orchestra has become really challenging so we've seen even more samples used, and I fear that studios will realize that this is cheaper and easier and not go back to live recordings even when all of this is over. I certainly hope I will be proved wrong, but this was already starting to be a problem even before Covid, and when have film executives ever really prioritized quality over profit min/maxing?

    That's not to say we won't ever hear proper orchestral recordings anymore, but they will become less and less the norm. I'd have liked to see more creative solutions to this as well (either smaller ensembles, or proper creative synth scores that aren't just a computer's best approximation of an orchestra).
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2021
    Yes, that's a good point. I listened to Joe Kramer's score for that fantasy flick that was released last year (the soundtrack came out on Moviescore Media this year). Name escapes me, and I'm too lazy to google. Anyway, the cheapo samples on display were embarassing. Either compose on computers/synths based on that particular idiom's strength, or go all acoustic. Don't try to "hide" the low budget in samples, no matter how fancy they are. The pandemic is no excuse.
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  8. Directorial demands are a good excuse, though.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2021
    As Morricone once said: "If I don't like a director, I fire him". :D
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  9. Thor wrote
    Yes, that's a good point. I listened to Joe Kramer's score for that fantasy flick that was released last year (the soundtrack came out on Moviescore Media this year). Name escapes me, and I'm too lazy to google. Anyway, the cheapo samples on display were embarassing. Either compose on computers/synths based on that particular idiom's strength, or go all acoustic. Don't try to "hide" the low budget in samples, no matter how fancy they are. The pandemic is no excuse.

    There is a bit of a 'discussion' on Facebook about this release.

    One thing I don't understand is that, yes the budget may be low, so a live orchestra cannot be hired and the composer has to do as best he can with the tools he has. But, then the quality of the samples/synths then becomes an indication of the quality of the composer's library. Isn't that the case? I have no idea of how much these cost but there are some great-sounding synth scores. So, it may not be so much the limited budgets and more the investment by composers of the sample libraries they use.

    Or am I missing something?
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  10. It's directorial demands, methinks. They can't afford an orchestra, but want something that sounds like it.

    Usually people praise good limitations as they force you to be creative (cf. True Romance and Psycho. Having originally balked at the lower budget, eventually Herrmann praised the opportunity to write a "black and white score to a black and white film"). But if you're forced to sound epic beause the producers want you to, that's what you to not to get fired.

    Kraemer can do synths, in fact the major difference between a composer's formal education perhaps even 3 decades ago and now is that right now programming synthesizers is actually part of the curriculum. You can work with that. Create a a pad, add some string samples, a solo violin (live), one can handle it even in the pandemic. or just embrace the synths alone and think of a different palette. Composers can do that much of the time. It just takes a director/producer to have the guts to let it be so.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 5th 2021
    One can do "epic" easily without orchestra. Thomas Bergersen has made a career out of it. What bugs me is when they try to "hide" a limited budget, or limited circumstances, by pretending a sampled orchestra is a real one, and composed on orchestral terms (rather than using it as colourization). It's sooooo transparent.
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  11. Tell that to the directors, though. I think composers are very well aware of that and would rather be allowed to get creative with this kind of material, some, as I said, would even actually embrace it.
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