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[Sticky] Film Music: A Neglected Art Review Thread
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- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeNov 13th 2008
Heh it was free. I really can't complain and it gives me a guide as to what sounds like what."There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance... that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer -
- CommentAuthorChristodoulides
- CommentTimeNov 13th 2008
256 Is good enough. -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
Not through a quality stereo system."There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance... that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
You'd be hard pressed to hear the difference between CD-quality audio and a 256 file, even on good speakers. We actually tested it in the studio the other day with a really decent pair of monitors (I'm doing a music tech course), and we compared a 320kbps file with a normal CD for the same piece of music. Couldn't hear a damn bit of difference. I would imagine 256 is still too high a bit rate to hear many discrepancies.
Next week I get to smash seven bells out of a drum kit and record it!
"If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein (24th March 1954) -
- CommentAuthorChristodoulides
- CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
Christodoulides wrote
Here we go again
Then don'tbeat yourself up over it!BURN THE BUNNY! -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
The sound is more antiseptic than a CD which is of course more antiseptic than a LP."There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance... that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeNov 14th 2008 edited
sdtom wrote
The sound is more antiseptic than a CD which is of course more antiseptic than a LP.
There are so many more factors to consider than just bit rate, not least psychological ones. Compression technology gets rid of sound that we theoretically cannot hear, and a high bit rate like 256 is nigh on impossible to tell the difference between a CD-quality piece of audio. (And there other factors like sample rate and bit depth to consider. I rip audio into 41KHz, which is about the same as a CD, so I still get the same amount of 'chops' per second than I would get if I listened to the CD, except that it's been compressed to cut out noise humans - theoretically - can't hear, or don't notice very easily.)
Do you play CDs through your computer or do you play them on a CD player connected to a hi-fi?"If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein (24th March 1954) -
- CommentAuthorChristodoulides
- CommentTimeNov 14th 2008 edited
Also cables, wires, system (hardware) speakers (self-amplified or not, quality, dimensions), amplifiers but most importantly THE CODEC.
You'll be amazed by how differently 2 mp3's of the same bitrate done with conventional freeware or cheap mp3 codecs sound in comparison with the ones done in studios with professional, expensive plugins. That's the stuff that should worry you, not the bit rate itself alone. -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
Exactly. There are zillions of factors that effect the audio that finally reaches your ears, and we've been playing around with a lot of these factors in the studio recently.
Logic Pro and its many plug-ins confuse the shite out of me.
"If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein (24th March 1954) -
- CommentAuthorChristodoulides
- CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
Studio at the uni? -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
Yep."If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein (24th March 1954) -
- CommentAuthorChristodoulides
- CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
Fascinating stuff eh? Don't know what equipment you got there but makes you realize what recorded sound really is and what goes on behind the stuff you listen at home 'till it reaches you..those multi-thousand dollar plug-ins is what makes the music you hear sound like that most of the times. -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
Christodoulides wrote
Also cables, wires, system (hardware) speakers (self-amplified or not, quality, dimensions), amplifiers but most importantly THE CODEC.
You'll be amazed by how differently 2 mp3's of the same bitrate done with conventional freeware or cheap mp3 codecs sound in comparison with the ones done in studios with professional, expensive plugins. That's the stuff that should worry you, not the bit rate itself alone.
The bottom line is...if the end result sounds fine then enjoy!!The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. www.mygenres.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
I play my CD's on my stereo. I use high end monster wire with a minimum amount of distance from the amp to the speakers. I can hear a difference.
Thomas"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance... that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeNov 15th 2008
sdtom wrote
I play my CD's on my stereo. I use high end monster wire with a minimum amount of distance from the amp to the speakers. I can hear a difference.
Thomas
And your MP3s?"If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein (24th March 1954) -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeNov 15th 2008
Those are directly copied to a CD for listening. I hate to be this way because I promised myself to be better but the sound from an MP3 player or through my computer is crap, sorry. Steven check out a tube CDPlayer sometime along with some quality equipment. Slowly right now I'm working on a sweet sixteen speaker with two tweeters and a 7 amp mono amplifier to listen to non stereo equipment. It does make a difference. If my 60+ year old ears can hear there is a difference.
Thomas"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance... that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer -
- CommentAuthorChristodoulides
- CommentTimeNov 15th 2008 edited
But of course there's a difference. The greater the number of the speakers is, the greater the uniformity of the created sound field. Plus the more sound depth it carries in the case of added LFE (low frequency enhancement) speakers - subwoofers or low frequency reproduction capable speakers. This is a subject matter i studied extremely well for my bachelor thesis which is quite relevant and stands on psychoacoustic principles and a relevant experiment we conducted a couple of months back.
But this is another thing than the bitrate of the encoded audio. -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeNov 15th 2008
Have you read about this fairly simple speaker to build? Keep in mind this is for mono only. The two tweeters add a small boost to the high end.
Thomas"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance... that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeNov 15th 2008
And a 7 watt tube amp is fairly easy to build and all you need for plenty of sound."There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance... that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer -
- CommentAuthorChristodoulides
- CommentTimeNov 15th 2008 edited
Nop; i know the theory behind psychoacoustics but don't know about the specific system you speak of. Do you have a link or something?
High quality high frequency boost will give you clarity in the perceived sound and low frequency in the right analogies (i.e. roughly speaking it shouldn't be independently discernible but rather fused with the whole of the sound image) will attribute depth and a greater sense of envelopment*, when you have a sufficient number of speakers properly placed.
* the feeling of being surrounded by sound from all directions, being in a wholly spherical sound field without "holes" -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeNov 15th 2008
Tom
I'd recommend you have a go at HeeroJF's clips game in the Guess Yonder Score XXXI thread.....very much up your street!BURN THE BUNNY! -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeNov 16th 2008
Thanks for the tip as I would have never looked. I'll play tomorrow"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance... that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeNov 18th 2008
I just a column entitled Performing Music which in my opinion is the ultimate enjoyment when it comes to music.
http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2008/11/18/performing-music/
I'm also open to any topics for future columns"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance... that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeNov 21st 2008
Christmas material"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance... that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeNov 21st 2008
soundtrack collector lists over 44,000 titles. how many do you have?"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance... that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeNov 22nd 2008 edited
1000 CDs; about 50 LPs (I have far more, but I have re-bought many as CDs, so I'm not counting the redundant ones). About 3000 in MP3 format.
Music to last me three lifetimes. Not too shabby.
Just your friendly neighbourhood disturbance in the Force. -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeNov 22nd 2008
I have enough for three lifetimes! Soundtracks, Jazz, and Classical"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance... that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeNov 22nd 2008
Ahhhh, hold on: if we're also counting genres other than soundtracks, I can easily double that number!Just your friendly neighbourhood disturbance in the Force. -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeNov 22nd 2008
All we can say Martijn is yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance... that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer