JOHN WILLIAMS

When I mean music like "star Wars" i talk more about the orchestrations and the rythm than about the tone, so The action music from LOTR can be dark, Agressive or Even Dissonant and be more rich and rythmic like Williams or Goldenthal.

Maybe I can't explain it well.

But Star Wars music wouldn't have worked. I don't know how many times I can stress that to you. And Shore's music for LOTR is very rich and rhythmic. I mean, even though "Shelob's Lair" is an impressive action cue... and I think the type of action music you are looking for in the rest of Shore's score... it's the one cue that doesn't work in the film. It's far too jarring and out of place compared to the rest of the score. Jackson actually requested for something more Herrmannesque... and I kinda wish he didn't. It disrupts the flow of the score. It's the black sheep cue of the trilogy. It doesn't belong with the rest of the 9 -12 or how many hours of music Shore wrote for the three films.

-Erik-

For sure Shelob's lair is by far my favourite action track from LOTR trilogy, And for my ears fits very well with the scene and the "Character". But Do you want another example about the kind of action music that I think it could be more dinamic and fits even better with the movie??

"the breach Of the Deeping" from TTT complete recordings. What do you think? more dinamic, with drums, with more inflection points, more exiting and without loose the tone of the movie.

I'd say that you are looking for something a little more Goldsmithian than Williams. Constant rhythms throughout the entire action cue a la First Knight. You know, I'd take a Goldsmith LOTR over a Williams LOTR.

BTW, does that cue contain the swashbuckling music for Greenleaf's shield slide down the stairs?

CHEESE BALL!!!

-Erik-

Hell no. What an AWFUL moment in the film. Totally out of place. The LOTR is not your typical sword and sorcery film. Don't you get it? That type of stuff is only a small portion of the greater story. You want playful swashbuckling... go play The Sea Hawk or Robin Hood. Those films are just what they are... the LOTR was something much bigger and far more dramatic, IMHO.

-Erik-

It´s 3:50 AM Jordi, maybe time to go to sleep. But that gay thing, hmmm, I don´t think you´re wrong at all...

Hahaha....I insist, it´s 4:00 AM here in Spain.....

Fool of me!!! Luke's theme in the main title theme, and the force theme is a theme aside!!!!

Wow...Empire Is such a masterpiece! I could have been listening for years and discover things everyday....Why ZImmer can do this ?

I sincerely hope that Williams comes back to score Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, or is at least involved with the music in some form. But it probably won't happen.

And Jordi, please stop asking stupid questions. If you actually took the time to read Erik's posts and phrase your replies carefully, we'd all be a lot better off.

After a lecture that Williams gave on the East Coast, a fan went up to him for an autograph. While getting whatever signed, he asked Williams if he would be back for Deathly Hollows, and Williams said he would like to score the final one.

It wasn't said at the lecture and heard by the entire audience as some people and sites have reported. I'm sure the fan wasn't lying, but it was blown slightly out of proportion for a while.

Personally, I'd love to have him back for the final film if he can get his action scoring under control (for those of you have read the book, you know it's got a hefty chunk of action). Williams is without a doubt one of my favorite composers and can craft a theme like no other, but his action material has been less than stellar lately. On top of that, I am one of the few who really enjoyed Hooper's score for the last film. If he does an even better job in Half-Blood Prince, I would have no qualms with keeping him for the final film.

Agree, Williams has moved on, I can understand why some people may not like it....sort of?

I love it!

None of it's bad, I'm just not a huge fan of his more modern action writing (although I do very much enjoy "Quidditch, Third Year"). There's a lot of instruments coming in and out all the time and sometimes it's just a huge cacophony of sound. So much of it sounds overly complicated and not as thematic as he used to be. I don't enjoy comparing the new Williams sound to the old Williams sound, because I like them both for very different reasons.

One of the things I loved about Hooper's score for Order of the Phoenix was the ridiculously simple action music. It gave the film a really interesting feeling, especially during the final battle when there were tiny spaces of silence and then the pace would pick up again. Williams' recent material has been so in your face, that I just don't enjoy it as much.

EDIT: Good god, I need to proofread.

I know that I'm in the vast minority of those who did enjoy Hooper's score. To me it was a fresh take on the movie, and I don't care that much about thematic and aural continuity between the Potter films as I do other franchises. At one time I did, and would still like to see Williams' "Window to Time Past" theme make some kind of appearance, but mostly I'd like to hear interesting original ideas that mesh well with the film.

I that's what I absolutely hated about Hooper's score. It was far too simple. It's easily the worst of the 5 Potter scores. Hopefully Hooper will inject a little more energy in his action writing for the next movie... but I'm not confident.

-Erik-

Ooooh... PHILOSOPHER'S Stone is indeed the 2nd worst. Like you said, great themes but the film was over scored. But I'd still take that over Hooper's unimpressive effort!

-Erik-