The current state of film music

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- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008
I have my days so I speak from experience
Thomas
listen to more classical music!
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008
Steven wrote
I don't want to get involved in this little scrap here, honestly I don't really care, but I think a name, a little biographical information or indeed a photo never goes amiss with an 'online community' as this one. It helps to form at least some kind of relationship and it helps to remind you you're not talking to a machine, a few letters on a computer screen. If I am to have an online discussion about the things I love, then I would at least like to know something about that person I am discussing with, just a little bit of info goes a long way. My favourite forum members here are the ones I know a fair amount about, at least as far as an online friendships goes.

Of course, it doesn't matter if you don't, conversations won't just cease to happen just because you've given no information about yourself and of course you won't suddenly be ignored, though it will help in those discussions in the long run I think.

But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you should and that it's required of you, doesn't make a difference to me either way. I'm just making a point about 'online identities', as you put it.

Point taken.
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008
DemonStar wrote

Timmer wrote
Out of interest, what do your friends find cool? It's been a long time since I went to India ( 1989 ), then, everyone seemed to be into Michael Jackson!?

90% of them listen to the generic Bollywood rubbish which comes out like everyday. Full rip-offs of Western music, unashamed plaigarism, unoriginal tunes and catchy tunes with incredibly dumb lyrics. Actually, the music and lyrics seem so unoriginal to me that I sometimes can't distinguish one song from the other! Only about 1% of the stuff is actually worth listening. Just my views

Does Indian mainstream cinema have no shame?

"It tells the story of a 10-year-old boy who moves to England with his parents and becomes embroiled in a battle over a secret microchip."
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008 edited
Timmer wrote

Steven wrote
Is there a list of all the major score releases from this year? (And past years.) That would at least help me to decide whether general quality is declining (which is my hunch).

I'm sure there was one at FSM or Movie Music? I'd appreciate it too, perhaps as a 'sticky' post, one that we can all use for reference.

Edit instead of quote

I'd love to see a permanent list here of old to modern scores, something that ALL of us can reference.

Anyone have or know of an idea of how to make this so?

^
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008
A permanent list of all scores ever?

Gadzooks!

I think there would be VERY little point (or indeed accuracy: I'm just considering all those thirties/forties scores that used stock music by up to twenty composers at a time ) as that would be such a humongous list that you wouldn't be able to deduce any meaningful information from it.

Consider that the main point of contention is quality, which is quite impossible to define boundaries for. So at the end of the day, with or without list, it'll all come back to personal preference and the way one is able to express himself about it, which may change a point of view.
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008
Well maybe not a complete list, but some kind of list of all the major score releases or at least the most reviewed releases wouldn't go amiss.
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008
I understand what you mean from a reference point of view.

However, for the purpose of this thread it would ...well...defeat the purpose of the thread.
How can you compare overall quality when you already make a pre-selection?
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008
Not for this thread, just for me to have a look at. Takes the piss to go through my library trying to figure out when each score was released.
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008
Here's 2007's list:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/article … _Seven.asp

(I think he has done this for a few years now so if anyone's interested, I'd go through the Film Score Daily archive)
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- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008
From the list, here are the scores that got a CD release

4. ARMSTRONG, CRAIG
Elizabeth: The Golden Age*

5. ARNOLD, DAVID
Amazing Grace*
Hot Fuzz*

8. BACALOV, LUIS
Caravaggio*
Sea of Dreams*

9. BADELT, KLAUS
Premonition*
Rescue Dawn*

10. BARR, NATHAN
Hostel Part II*

11. BARZELAY, EEF
Rocket Science*

12. BATES, TYLER
300*

14. BECK, CHRISTOPHE
Year of the Dog*

16. BELTRAMI, MARCO
Live Free or Die Hard*
3:10 to Yuma*

17. BERETTA, MARIO
Vitus*

18. BERNET, OLIVIER
Persepolis*

25. BT
Catch and Release*

29. CARDONI, JEFF
Firehouse Dog*

31. CASTRIGANO, ANTONIO
Golden Door*

32. CAVE, NICK
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford*

34. CLINTON, GEORGE S.
Code Name: The Cleaner*

35. CLOUSER, CHARLIE
Dead Silence*
Resident Evil: Extinction*

40. DANNA, JEFF
Fracture*

41. DANNA, MYCHAEL
Breach*
Fracture*
Surf's Up*

43. DEBNEY, JOHN
Evan Almighty*

46. DESPLAT, ALEXANDRE
The Golden Compass*
Lust, Caution*
Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium*

47. DJAWADI, RAMIN
Mr. Brooks*

48. DOOLEY, JAMES
Daddy Day Camp

49. DOYLE, PATRICK
The Last Legion*
Sleuth*

51. DUDLEY, ANNE
Black Book*

52. EASTWOOD, CLINT
Grace Is Gone*

53. EASTWOOD, KYLE
Rails & Ties*

54. EDELMAN, RANDY
Balls of Fury*

55. ELFMAN, DANNY
The Kingdom*
Meet the Robinsons*

56. ELIAS, JONATHAN
Pathfinder*

57. ELLIS, WARREN
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford*

58. ESCOTT, HARRY
Deep Water
A Mighty Heart*

60. ESHKERI, ILAN
Hannibal Rising
Stardust*

63. FRIZZELL, JOHN
The Reaping*

64 GIACCHINO, MICHAEL
Ratatouille*

66. GLASS, PHILIP
No Reservations

68. GOLDENTHAL, ELLIOT
Across the Universe

70. GOLUB, PETER
The Great Debaters*

71. GOLIJOV, OSVALDO
Youth without Youth*

74. GORGONI, ADAM
Starting Out in the Evening*

75. GREENWOOD, JONNY
There Will Be Blood*

76. GREGSON-WILLIAMS, HARRY
Gone Baby Gone
The Number 23*
Shrek the Third*

77. GREGSON-WILLIAMS, RUPERT
Bee Movie*

78. GROUPE, LAURENCE
Resurrecting the Champ*

83. GUNNING, CHRISTOPHER
La Vie en Rose*

86. HASLINGER, PAUL
Shoot 'Em Up*
Vacancy*

89. HEIL, REINHOLD
Blood and Chocolate

91 HENSELMANS, WARD
Buddha's Lost Children

92. HEPKER, PAUL
Rendition*

93. HOLKENBORG, TOM
DOA: Dead or Alive

95. HOLMES, DAVID
Ocean's Thirteen*

96. HOOPER, NICHOLAS
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix*

98. HOWARD, JAMES NEWTON
Charlie Wilson's War*
The Great Debaters*
I Am Legend*
The Lookout
Michael Clayton*
The Water Horse*

99. IGLESIAS, ALBERTO
The Kite Runner*

100. ISHAM, MARK
Gracie*
In the Valley of Elah*
Lions for Lambs*
The Mist*
Next*
Reservation Road*

102. JABLONSKY, STEVE
Dragon Wars*
The Hitcher
Transformers*

104. JOHNSTON, ADRIAN
Becoming Jane*

105. JOHNSTON, BOBBY
Wristcutters: A Love Story*

107. KACZMAREK, JAN A.P.
Evening*

109. KELLY, PAUL
Jindabyne*

110. KENT, ROLFE
The Hunting Party*
Reign Over Me*

111. KILAR, WOJCIECH
We Own the Night*

112. KILIAN, MARK
Rendition*

113. KITAY, DAVID
Because I Said So*

114. KLIMEK, JOHNNY
Blood and Chocolate

118. LENNERTZ, CHRISTOPHER
Alvin and the Chipmunks
The Comebacks

119. LERCHE, SONDRE
Dan in Real Life*

124. LURIE, DEBORAH
Sydney White

129. MANCINA, MARK
August Rush
Shooter*

130. MANSELL, CLINT
Smokin' Aces*

132. MARIANELLI, DARIO
Atonement*
[Beyond the Gates]*
The Brave One*

135. MARTINEZ, CLIFF
First Snow

136. MATTHEWMAN, STUART
The Astronaut Farmer*

137. MCKNIGHT, BRIAN
Tyler Perry's Daddy's Little Girls

138. MCNEELY, JOEL
I Know Who Killed Me*

139. MENKEN, ALAN
Enchanted*

145. MORRICONE, ENNIO
The Unknown Woman [La Sconosciuta]*

147. MUHLY, NICO
Joshua*

148. MURPHY, JOHN
Sunshine
28 Weeks Later

152. NYMAN, MOLLY
Deep Water
A Mighty Heart*

154. OTTMAN, JOHN
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer*
The Invasion*

155. PEREIRA, HEITOR
Illegal Tender

157. PHOENIX FOUNDATION, THE
Eagle vs. Shark

158. PINTO, ANTONIO
Love in the Time of Cholera*
Perfect Stranger*

159. PLAID
Tekkonkinkreet

160. POWELL, JOHN
The Bourne Ultimatum*
P.S. I Love You

161. PURO, ALEC
The Good Night*

163. RAHMAN, A.R.
Elizabeth: The Golden Age*

165. REITZELL, BRIAN
30 Days of Night*

167. REVELL, GRAEME
Darfur Now*

169. RODRIGUEZ, ROBERT
Grindhouse*

171. ROSS, WILLIAM
September Dawn*

174. SAKAMOTO, RYUICHI
Silk*

175. SALE, JAMES T.
Music Within

177. SANKO, ANTON
[The Last Winter]*

179. SAWHNEY, NITIN
The Namesake*

180. SCHIFRIN, LALO
Rush Hour 3*

181. SCHLESINGER, ADAM
Music and Lyrics

183. SHAIMAN, MARC
The Bucket List*
Hairspray*

184. SHAPIRO, THEODORE
Blades of Glory*

186. SHEPPARD, PHILIP
In the Shadow of the Moon*

187. SHIRE, DAVID
Zodiac*

188. SHORE, HOWARD
Eastern Promises*
The Last Mimzy*

189. SILVESTRI, ALAN
Beowulf*

192. STEVENS, MICHAEL
Rails & Ties*

193. STINSON, TOMMY
Catch and Release*

194. STREITENFELD, MARC
American Gangster*

197. SWIHART, JOHN
The Brothers Solomon*

198. TALBOT, JOBY
Arctic Tale*

199. TALGORN, FREDERIC
Moliere*

202. THIERET, BEATRICE
Lady Chatterley*

204. TOMANDANDY
Right at Your Door*

205. TORN, DAVID
Lars and the Real Girl*

208. TYLER, BRIAN
Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem*
War*

209. UMEBAYASHI, SHIGERU
Hannibal Rising

211. VELAZQUEZ, FERNANDO
The Orphanage*

218. WORKMAN, LYLE
Superbad*

219. YARED, GABRIEL
1408*

221. YOUNG, CHRISTOPHER
Ghost Rider*

222. ZANELLI, GEOFF
Disturbia*
Hitman*

224. ZIGMAN, AARON
Alpha Dog*
Bridge to Terabithia*
Good Luck Chuck
The Jane Austen Book Club*
Martian Child*
Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium*

225. ZIMMER, HANS
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End*
The Simpsons Movie*
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008
Whoa, thanks for that. I can also finally sort out a few of my recent scores into years!
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008
Steven wrote
Whoa, thanks for that. I can also finally sort out a few of my recent scores into years!

I don't even try anymore.
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008
Steven wrote
Not for this thread, just for me to have a look at. Takes the piss to go through my library trying to figure out when each score was released.

I didn't make myself very clear.

Everything that Steven said.

I'm sure we could start a thread where everyone contributes and hopefully iron out innaccuracies to the point we can make ONE list, not a "comprehensive" one, that would be nearly impossible.

It would be damn useful for all of us.
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008
Well, I'll be happy to post a print-out of my 1500+ score collection (I do categorize in years...but it's gonna be absolute HELL to maintain something like that!
Who's gonna plough through posts like correlating with lists from the likes of Erik or James to weed out doubles and inconsistencies?

I tremble at the thought of a task as Herculanean as that...
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008
what is the matter with soundtrack collector? or am i just confused like i usually am
Thomas
listen to more classical music!
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008
sdtom wrote
what is the matter with soundtrack collector? or am i just confused like i usually am
Thomas

The website? What seems to be the problem?
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeAug 26th 2008
That's a database, Tom, not a list generator.
What Tim and Steven are advocating is a list of all/selected film scores trhoughout the ages, adn soundtrackcollector doesn't provide the option to export to lists based on year of issue.
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
- CommentAuthorKevinSmith
- CommentTimeAug 27th 2008
Southall wrote
...and if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon.

Come now Mr Southall, young kids, fresh ideas, be tolerant.
Revenge is sweet... Revenge is best served cold... Revenge is ice cream.
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeAug 27th 2008
I get it!
Thomas
listen to more classical music!
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeAug 31st 2008
I wonder would it be fair to say that film music has always been both a business and an art form, and these days it is becoming more of a business than an art?
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeAug 31st 2008
Yes, it would indeed, because of the bigger and bigger influence of the film's producer on the music and film score albums being seen as the film's merchandise more than anything else.

Case in point: Batman Begins. The first score in Poland to have an advertising campaign INCLUDING TRAILERS!
http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
- CommentAuthorJoep
- CommentTimeAug 31st 2008
The current state of film music is just fine. I see no reason to be alarmed. It makes perfect sense that mainstream films suffer the most from uninspirational scoring.
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeAug 31st 2008
Depends on what you mean by 'fine' though. Okay, so there's a lot of scores out there going unnoticed, but I would take the big, classic Hollywood scores over much of these hidden gems in most cases. And we don't seem to be getting them anymore.

I'm just not that excited by obscure scores. I've heard a few, and although I'm sure they are diverse, they will generally lack the big Hollywood sound I like to hear in film music. I like film music as a form of escapism, I like classical music because it appeals to any intelligence I might have, and I like everything else because it makes me feel good.
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeAug 31st 2008
Joep wrote
The current state of film music is just fine. I see no reason to be alarmed. It makes perfect sense that mainstream films suffer the most from uninspirational scoring.

I sympathise with this perspective. However it would be great if good work were coming from all quarters.
A butterfly thinks therefore I am
- CommentAuthorJoep
- CommentTimeAug 31st 2008
Steven wrote
I'm just not that excited by obscure scores. I've heard a few, and although I'm sure they are diverse, they will generally lack the big Hollywood sound I like to hear in film music.

There's also a world, like the Asian, that produces a lot of scores that rarely reach an average Western fan of big orchestral Hollywood scores, but are equally exciting. For example, I know Chinese scores that match the quality of a good action score by John Powell. And these are far from non-main stream or obscure (well perhaps from your point of view) scores. It's all just a bit more difficult to find.
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeAug 31st 2008 edited
Scores like that I don't consider obscure. If they reach a large audience, regardless of whether or not that audience includes me, then I'd be pretty ignorant to name them 'obscure'.

Obscure, for me, are scores that don't receive wide recognition and tend to be for very small, independent films, and in particular from foreign speaking, smaller countries. I've very little interest in them unfortunately.
- CommentAuthorJoep
- CommentTimeAug 31st 2008
A shame. I could however recommend some if you'd want to.
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeSep 1st 2008
Or the "limited edition" material from Intrada and FSM which have low quantity alerts before there even released!
Thomas
listen to more classical music!
- CommentAuthoromaha
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2008
The way the film music world has gone is depressing to me. I was born in '88 and as a child the scores of batman and robin hood: prince of thieves brought me to film music. Since then I explored and listened to many scores many going back to the 60's. The loss of Goldsmith and Kamen are terrible to me. The day Williams dies I may cry. I just might...
The blandness of many current scores today (mainly the zimmer clan and others) is awful.
To me the best work's by Zimmer are the Prince of Egypt and A league of Their Own. He puts all of this crap out without putting his soul in the music.

And to those who view music as only subjective... nay.
Music you LIKE is subjective.
But there is a difference between liking music and learning, respecting, analyzing, and looking at the theories in music. Music is ART. This current stuff with no soul or technicality pisses me off.

And most of Zimmer's scores are not about exploring music or making a difference. It is just about money and making noise to accompany a jerry bruckheimer or michael bay film.

And those who only listen to the new stuff... do you bother to venture to the past and hear some of the older stuff?

Sorry if you think I'm bashing Zimmer, he is just a perfect example.
- CommentAuthorThomas
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2008 edited
And most of Zimmer's scores are not about exploring music or making a difference. It is just about money and making noise to accompany a jerry bruckheimer or michael bay film.

About 95 % of Zimmer scores are *not* for Bruckheimer films...

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