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The Role of Compilations (and a recent effort)

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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
    franz_conrad wrote
    Oh go split an infinitive. biggrin


    biggrin
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
    Steven wrote
    Thing is, I'll probably try. biggrin


    :sunil:
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTintin
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
    franz_conrad wrote
    Does anyone else still make CD compilations of soundtracks for those who dive less fully into the form than we do?
    It's always been one of the pleasures of being a soundtrack appreciator for me: that ability to open people up to a type of music they're not so used to. In the age of the iTunes playlist, compilations on finite recordable media may seem less relevant. Yet I discovered for myself earlier this week of trying to put together an album that I felt had flow, story, diverse texture and a lot of great music that making a compilation is as worthwhile a challenge as ever.

    ...

    Those of us who've been into film music long enough could probably generate a near infinite number of soundtrack compilations. I have particularly enjoyed listening to this one myself in the last few days.


    That sounds like a very good compilation to me. Michael, did you mix all the cues together or did you leave a few seconds between each cues?
    I still make compilations in my head and on disc too. I do them like a DJ would and then transfer them to my ipod. I like it when all the cues "run" into each other and sometimes you don't hear the change between them . It's like one big suite of 80 minutes. Flow and the seamless aspect of it are very important to me. There is always one brewing and sometimes they take time to materialize but I still enjoy putting them together for other people or for myself.
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010 edited
    I make them sometimes, too. Usually when my friends ask me to play them some score tracks out of curiosity, I start with RC material like the PoTCs or Transformers because they usually latch onto that pretty quick. Then I play them some other handpicked tracks currently in my MP3 player.
  5. Thor wrote
    There also has to be some sort of narrative or overarching design behind the WHOLE album.


    For me, as with any album, a satisfying musical narrative is enough. There doesn't need to be a high concept behind it all. You start in certain emotion/texture, you move through others... you end up in quite a different place, and in a very different style, to what you started with.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
  6. Demonstar, thanks for your unfiltered, unstructured contribution. It's about as accessible as a page of the phone book, except out of alphabetical order.

    Tintin wrote

    That sounds like a very good compilation to me. Michael, did you mix all the cues together or did you leave a few seconds between each cues?
    I still make compilations in my head and on disc too. I do them like a DJ would and then transfer them to my ipod. I like it when all the cues "run" into each other and sometimes you don't hear the change between them . It's like one big suite of 80 minutes. Flow and the seamless aspect of it are very important to me. There is always one brewing and sometimes they take time to materialize but I still enjoy putting them together for other people or for myself.


    Sometimes they run together, but more often than not, I'm relying on each piece to clearly stop and start. New track, new idea.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010 edited
    franz_conrad wrote
    Demonstar, thanks for your unfiltered, unstructured contribution. It's about as accessible as a page of the phone book, except out of alphabetical order.


    Look below..
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010 edited
    Right, I made this one from the aforementioned tracks -

    1. Reflections Of The Earth (Millennium Celebrations - Gavin Greenaway)
    2. The Egg Travels (Dinosaur - James Newton Howard)
    3. Journey To The Line (The Thin Red Line - Hans Zimmer)
    4. Chevaliers De Sangreal (The Da Vinci Code - Hans Zimmer)
    5. This Land (The Lion King - Hans Zimmer)
    6. Theme From The Ghost And The Darkness - Jerry Goldsmith
    7. Rescuing Sarah (The Lost World - John Williams)
    8. T-Rex Rescue & Finale (Jurassic Park - John Williams)
    9. Riddle Of Steel/Riders Of Doom (Conan The Barbarian - Basil Poledouris)
    10. And He Shall Smite The Wicked (Hunchback Of Notre Dame - Alan Menken)
    11. Lighting Of The Beacons (LoTR: Return Of The King - Howard Shore)
    12. The Fellowship Reunited (LoTR: Return Of The King - Howard Shore)
    13. King Of Pride Rock (The Lion King - Hans Zimmer)

    It's my first attempt at a proper compilation, advice would be welcome.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010 edited
    franz_conrad wrote
    Thor wrote
    There also has to be some sort of narrative or overarching design behind the WHOLE album.


    For me, as with any album, a satisfying musical narrative is enough. There doesn't need to be a high concept behind it all. You start in certain emotion/texture, you move through others... you end up in quite a different place, and in a very different style, to what you started with.


    Yeah, that's basically what I mean too. Though I do have a soft spot for more concept-like albums (like prog rock stuff).
    I am extremely serious.
  10. The other compilation I did this past week had some intentional overlap with the first, as though by listening to one you would be reminded feintly of an idea you heard in an another. The love theme from Mao's Last Dancer was used as more of a recurring idea in this one, to help link the experience.

    1. "On New Year's Eve" from Night (Cezary Skubiciewski)
    2. "Valse des Ch'tis" from Bienvenue Chez les Ch'tis (Philippe Rombi)
    3. "L'abandon" from Coco Avant Chanel (Alexandre Desplat)
    4. "Streets of New York" from The Beautiful Country (Zbigniew Preisner)
    5. "Becoming one of the people / Becoming one with Neytiri" from Avatar (James Horner)
    6. "Luna" from Ayre (Golijov/Santaolalla) (not a soundtrack)
    7. "Chez Louis" from My Architect (Joseph Vitarelli)
    8. "The Meadow" from New Moon (Desplat)
    9. "Pas de Deux" from Mao's Last Dancer (Christopher Gordon)
    10. "L'Hippodrome" from Coco Avant Chanel (Desplat)
    11. "Colette shows him the Ropes" from Ratatouille (Michael Giacchino)
    12. "Julie's Theme" from Julie+Julia (Desplat)
    13. "Pyramid of Pain" from Great Expectations (Patrick Doyle)
    14. "Flower Tunnel" from Cheri (Desplat)
    15. "Glimpse of Happiness" from The Home of Dark Butterflies (Panu Aaltio)
    16. "Break up and Reunion" from Mao's Last Dancer (Christopher Gordon)
    17. "Maybe Not" from You are Free (Cat Power) (not a soundtrack)
    18. "Dreamcatcher" from New Moon (Desplat)
    19. "Daydream" from A Single Man (Abel Korz...)
    20. "And Just Like That" from A Single Man (Abel Korz...)
    21. "Village Dance and Finale" from Mao's Last Dancer (Christopher Gordon)
    22. "Los Abrazos Rotos" from Broken Embraces (Alberto Iglesias)
    23. "Back Broke" from Strict Joy (The Swell Season) (not a soundtrack)
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorBregje
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
    DemonStar wrote
    3. Journey To The Line (The Thin Red Line - Hans Zimmer)

    One reason I did not choose this track is because I always have the idea that people who are not familiar with film music don't have enough patience to listen to such a 10 minute build-up piece of music. I'm afraid they might think nothing is going on.

    I'm curious how your friends respond to that track, let me know. I went for Stone in my Heart because it's more melodic and something is going on all the time so people will keep listening hopefully? That's why I chose thematic stuff for most of the tracks of my compilation. It's more memorable that way perhaps.
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
    Actually I played it to a couple of my friends who happen to prefer soft melodies over other material (such as romantic ballads), and they seemed to like it quite a bit. I'm pretty sure though that people who prefer Linkin Park etc. won't be pleased if made to listen to it. In this case, I find Zimmer's The Rock or Crimson Tide to be better for opening the playlist with, gradually moving to softer tracks.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
    DemonStar wrote
    Right, I made this one from the aforementioned tracks -

    1. Reflections Of The Earth (Millennium Celebrations - Gavin Greenaway)
    2. The Egg Travels (Dinosaur - James Newton Howard)
    3. Journey To The Line (The Thin Red Line - Hans Zimmer)
    4. Chevaliers De Sangreal (The Da Vinci Code - Hans Zimmer)
    5. This Land (The Lion King - Hans Zimmer)
    6. Theme From The Ghost And The Darkness - Jerry Goldsmith
    7. Rescuing Sarah (The Lost World - John Williams)
    8. T-Rex Rescue & Finale (Jurassic Park - John Williams)
    9. Riddle Of Steel/Riders Of Doom (Conan The Barbarian - Basil Poledouris)
    10. And He Shall Smite The Wicked (Hunchback Of Notre Dame - Alan Menken)
    11. Lighting Of The Beacons (LoTR: Return Of The King - Howard Shore)
    12. The Fellowship Reunited (LoTR: Return Of The King - Howard Shore)
    13. King Of Pride Rock (The Lion King - Hans Zimmer)

    It's my first attempt at a proper compilation, advice would be welcome.


    Too much Zimmer.
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
    Yeah... I'll try to replace some with Desplat's material.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
    In that case, keep the Zimmer. At least you'll keep your listeners awake!
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
    Steven wrote
    DemonStar wrote
    Right, I made this one from the aforementioned tracks -

    1. Reflections Of The Earth (Millennium Celebrations - Gavin Greenaway)
    2. The Egg Travels (Dinosaur - James Newton Howard)
    3. Journey To The Line (The Thin Red Line - Hans Zimmer)
    4. Chevaliers De Sangreal (The Da Vinci Code - Hans Zimmer)
    5. This Land (The Lion King - Hans Zimmer)
    6. Theme From The Ghost And The Darkness - Jerry Goldsmith
    7. Rescuing Sarah (The Lost World - John Williams)
    8. T-Rex Rescue & Finale (Jurassic Park - John Williams)
    9. Riddle Of Steel/Riders Of Doom (Conan The Barbarian - Basil Poledouris)
    10. And He Shall Smite The Wicked (Hunchback Of Notre Dame - Alan Menken)
    11. Lighting Of The Beacons (LoTR: Return Of The King - Howard Shore)
    12. The Fellowship Reunited (LoTR: Return Of The King - Howard Shore)
    13. King Of Pride Rock (The Lion King - Hans Zimmer)

    It's my first attempt at a proper compilation, advice would be welcome.


    Too much Zimmer.


    ...not enough Poledouris.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
    I don't have enough experience with Poledouris. shame

    Only got Starship Troopers and Hunt For Red October apart from Conan.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
    DemonStar wrote
    I don't have enough experience with Poledouris. shame

    Only got Starship Troopers and Hunt For Red October apart from Conan.


    A few MUST HAVES...

    Les Miserables
    Farewell To The King
    Robocop
    Flesh & Blood
    Conan The Destroyer
    The Touch
    Lonesome Dove
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorRoy
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010 edited
    Timmer wrote
    DemonStar wrote
    I don't have enough experience with Poledouris. shame

    Only got Starship Troopers and Hunt For Red October apart from Conan.


    A few MUST HAVES...

    Les Miserables
    Farewell To The King
    Robocop
    Flesh & Blood
    Conan The Destroyer
    The Touch
    Lonesome Dove


    I would add those to the list :
    Wind
    Free Willy
    The Blue Lagoon 1 & 2
    Quigley Down Under
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
    Thanks, will check them out. smile
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      CommentAuthorplindboe
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
    franz_conrad wrote
    If there's any cues you're missing, let me know. I will post the other list for sure.


    Thanks alot, I will. I'll be back in Denmark in 2 days, so I'll try to make your compilations as an itunes playlist then. The second compilation CD looks great as well!

    I think one secret to a good compilation for outsiders is to first of all avoid long tracks, especially when they take time to build up, as Bregje said, most outsiders lack the patience. Even my brother who likes alot of film music, doesn't appreciate too long tracks. The first time he complained about length was concerning "The hand of fate" from "Signs", where I had edited parts 1 and 2 together. This extraordinary piece is a dream come true for film score collectors, but for outsiders it "takes too long to build up", "not catchy enough", "the end is too boring" etc. Choosing personal favourites can be a poor strategy. The tracks must be short, with a strong and immediately affecting melody and not too moody or tense.

    I also think it's important to select tracks that will make people go "Wow, this is film music?!!!" rather than "Oh, this is just typical Hollywood stuff". When one chooses too much Zimmer, Williams, Horner etc. many outsiders will have an immediate negative reaction, because they feel that they've heard it all before. Carefully picking gems that the vast majority of people are unaware of, for instance the main themes from "Tess", "La califfa", "Le cou de la girafe", instead of going for the usual blockbuster favourites, I think can really astonish people and get them to realize that there's an entire world of wonderful music out there just waiting to be discovered.

    That's one reason why I find franz' compilations fascinating, and I'm curious to hear Thor's norwegian compilation as well.

    Peter smile
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
    I have to say that I don't do much at all in the way of any compilations anymore. I have 50+ CD's of Kunzel which are excellent compilations, far better than what I could do.
    Thomas
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
    I used to do a LOT of compilations (for personal use, though. Not to hand out), and over the years I can say I have become very adept at matching mood, flow and timing (nary a second was wasted on any cassette tape I used to have smile :methusalem: ).

    Now, I rather create compilation playlists: composer-based ('best of Morricone', 'best of Poledouris') or theme-based ('war', 'melancholy'), but I'm no longer concerned with timing (obviously. There's no limit but the physical space on my iPod) or flow, as I tend to play these playlists in shuffle mode anyway.

    I still enjoy making the selections though.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorRoy
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2010
    This thread has just remind me that in my first years of listening to film music, when I was much younger tongue With My brother We used to prepared a compilation for mom and dad on each occasion like Christmas or Birthday wink We recorded it on tapes (two sides , each obout 45 minutes) . I remember how tough it was, cause we tried to left as little empty space as possible, so sometimes we had to struggle with seconds to make it right. Of course now in the times of iTunes to make a compilation it is not a problem (at least from technical point) I made 2 cd compilation for mom. One with music from LOST season 1 & 2 (I choose only the softer cues)
    and one I titled 'Music for Choir and Vocals' (or something like that) and it contained only Horner tracks. You can imagine most of the tracks that have found a place on that kind of compilation wink
  26. plindboe wrote

    I think one secret to a good compilation for outsiders is to first of all avoid long tracks, especially when they take time to build up, as Bregje said, most outsiders lack the patience.


    Yeah, the second CD mostly keeps to that. I risked a couple of longer tracks on the first, but I described it as a more meditative CD in general to the recipient to prepare for that.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2010
    franz_conrad wrote
    Steven wrote
    I am surprised you managed to get a JNH cue in there though! biggrin


    While I think he can be a bit like a second hand A-list talent sometimes, I can't speak much evil about the Shyamalan scores, particularly SIGNS and VILLAGE. wink


    His scores for JNH are utterly brilliant. And so is a large degree of JNH's body of work, in more general terms. Get the plugs out of your ears wink

    As for the question, i do that too sometimes, but only for other people, like Steven. They mostly include romantic piano / string based film music.

    As for your list, except for your taste in awkward Nyman music, it all seems like gorgeous pieces i'd too include in a compilation smile
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2010
    plindboe wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    If there's any cues you're missing, let me know. I will post the other list for sure.


    Thanks alot, I will. I'll be back in Denmark in 2 days, so I'll try to make your compilations as an itunes playlist then. The second compilation CD looks great as well!

    I think one secret to a good compilation for outsiders is to first of all avoid long tracks, especially when they take time to build up, as Bregje said, most outsiders lack the patience. Even my brother who likes alot of film music, doesn't appreciate too long tracks. The first time he complained about length was concerning "The hand of fate" from "Signs", where I had edited parts 1 and 2 together. This extraordinary piece is a dream come true for film score collectors, but for outsiders it "takes too long to build up", "not catchy enough", "the end is too boring" etc. Choosing personal favourites can be a poor strategy. The tracks must be short, with a strong and immediately affecting melody and not too moody or tense.

    I also think it's important to select tracks that will make people go "Wow, this is film music?!!!" rather than "Oh, this is just typical Hollywood stuff". When one chooses too much Zimmer, Williams, Horner etc. many outsiders will have an immediate negative reaction, because they feel that they've heard it all before. Carefully picking gems that the vast majority of people are unaware of, for instance the main themes from "Tess", "La califfa", "Le cou de la girafe", instead of going for the usual blockbuster favourites, I think can really astonish people and get them to realize that there's an entire world of wonderful music out there just waiting to be discovered.

    That's one reason why I find franz' compilations fascinating, and I'm curious to hear Thor's norwegian compilation as well.

    Peter smile


    Very good points in there, Peter. Interestingly enough though, for as long as "outsiders" are concerned, i usually find that those people are most of the times excited by Zimmer's bold themes. And whenever they hear John Williams fanfares (or similar compositions by other film composers), they reply in bored tone: "Oh, Star Wars again?".
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  29. Christodoulides wrote
    As for your list, except for your taste in awkward Nyman music, it all seems like gorgeous pieces i'd too include in a compilation smile


    Oh well the advantage of making compilations for people who don't know much about film music is that they haven't made up their mind about everything a composer does based on his name. tongue
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2010
    No, i mean AWKWARD Nyman music. The rest of his stuff, the more string / piano and melody based material, is something i really like smile
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.

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