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- CommentAuthorEdmund Meinerts
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
Erik Woods wrote
Lockington's, on the other hand, is "been there, done that" choppy string ostinati, low grumbling brass, horns playing the same melody, exactly the same way every time without variation and deathly boring 4/4 drums.
-Erik-
I think Beck's score is quite underrated as well but this statement about Lockington's is just blatantly untrue. I don't have access to my music right now so I can't give you exact cue references, but for example there's a moment in the middle of "Thank You Brother" where the main theme is given a quiet but noble and stirring rendition, with nary a 4/4 drum in sight. Or else at the very outset of "Hippocampus", yes, it's in 4/4 (shocker, most music is), but the harmonies are quite different from when the theme is usually played and for me it's an interesting, if brief, development. And that's just the main theme...there are at least three others in the score (depending on where you draw the line between "theme" and "motif) and they all get development too (e.g. harp renditions in the softer cues). I won't rewrite my review here but I will stick by it.
And show me a single cue in Beck's score with anywhere near the creativity of "Wild Taxi Ride." Dislike Lockington all you like, Erik, but please don't accuse him of things he hasn't done.
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
Southall wrote
The Mummy Returns - Alan Silvestri
Nobody could accuse this of being quiet.
I can! I accuse it of being quiet.
I am, of course, wrong.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013 edited
Captain Future wrote
Southall wrote
Captain Future wrote
NP: Silk Road (1980) - Kitaro
Maybe the most popular tv score ever written for a documantary series.
Really? Never heard of it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4WuMoOy_gc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKd2WEqW … 318BBDB943
No need to be shocked Captain, here in the UK it is barely known by anybody.
I do have nostalgic connections with the album though, it was a favourite play of mine ( way back in about 1981 when I bought it on LP from HMV, a "blind" buy I might add ), it still resonates with good memories of early travels and the girl I was seeing around that time.
The synths sound very dated now but I was awe-struck at the time ( my gods but it's hard to imagine how I was awe-struck when listening now but I was ), it's still a very enjoyable album.
Here's my favourite track...
HEAVENLY FATHER
As for the TV series, I did eventually get to see it in the mid-1990's shunted away in the very early hours of late night TV.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorCaptain Future
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013 edited
I love the sound of 80ies synths. It will never date for me.
NP: The Big Country - Jerome Moross
The Philharmonia Orchestra conducted by Tony Bremner (Silva)
One of the finest western scores ever!
I was completly unaware of this recording until Timmer mentioned it about two weeks ago. Splendid!
<--- (We need that.)
VolkerBach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
NP: THE PROMISE (Debbie Wiseman)
Not for most people here, but I love it. Soft, ethereal textures with touches of Middle-Eastern harmonies and instruments.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorJim Ware
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
Southall wrote
The Mummy Returns - Alan Silvestri
Nobody could accuse this of being quiet.
It's pianissimo when compared to Van Helsing. -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
Lars wrote
lp wrote
Lars wrote
and Bad Boys 2 was also a difficult situation, because rabin took over at a very late point. and michael bay isn't the most easiest director to work with, so many changes were made at the score. jablonsky rearranged alot of rabins music and most of it in a bad way. rabins music was more thematic than the stuff jablonsky made out of it. best example is the scene, when they decide to go to cuba. rabin composed a really cool piece of music for that scene. especially in the second part. but jablonsky rearranged it and it lost all the power. there was a reason why mancina left the project before it started.
Mark noted in the liner for Bad Boys that Michael Bay was looking for a score that was heavy on percussion and less on thematics, which Mark couldn't agree with. I thought that's why Rabin was brought in (and Steve and RC crew).
there were alot of guys involved. rabin, linford, jablonsky, morris, dr. dre and gregson-williams. after this score, jablonsky became bays main composer. rabins music was only in a couple of scenes thematic and i think in the right moments. i don't know why bay didn't like it. jablonsky's version is ok, but with rabin's original music the scenes would have been more intense. i like the Bad Boys 2 score nonethelss and an
official score release would be awesome.
It has to be noted that Mancina and Rabin were supposed to co-write the score together.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
Edmund Meinerts wrote
I think Beck's score is quite underrated as well but this statement about Lockington's is just blatantly untrue.
Yeah, it is true. I suffered through 2 complete and excruciating listens of this score this week and most of the score is lazy string ostinati, uninteresting synths, low grumbling brass, with horns and strings playing the melodies most of the time. There's next to no trumpets, which would have been a most welcome orchestral colour to give this score some life. And the drums... oh boy. Lockington could have learn a thing or two from Joel Goldsmith and his score to Kull The Conqueror. Now, that's how you utilize a drum kit in a big fantasy score. Hell, that score was even orchestrated by Nicholas Dodd.
Edmund Meinerts wrote
Or else at the very outset of "Hippocampus", yes, it's in 4/4 (shocker, most music is),
Yeah, Top 40.
Edmund Meinerts wrote
but the harmonies are quite different from when the theme is usually played and for me it's an interesting, if brief, development.
Rarely if ever.
Edmund Meinerts wrote
And that's just the main theme...there are at least three others in the score (depending on where you draw the line between "theme" and "motif) and they all get development too (e.g. harp renditions in the softer cues). I won't rewrite my review here but I will stick by it.
Again, rarely if ever.
Edmund Meinerts wrote
And show me a single cue in Beck's score with anywhere near the creativity of "Wild Taxi Ride."
The one and only cue that shows any creativity whatsoever. I like it actually and if the rest of the score was this varied I would have enjoyed it more.
Edmund Meinerts wrote
Dislike Lockington all you like, Erik, but please don't accuse him of things he hasn't done.
I'm not accusing him of anything but my assessment of the Percy Jackson 2 score is pretty darn accurate. I would say this was a predictable score but I don't think I could have predicted that this one would be so bland. I mean, four themes (or motifs) and not one I could remember at the end of the albums playing time... Ok, maybe the one theme that sound like Beck's original for the first film but that's about it.
Should have brought back Beck for this film!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorchristopher
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
Speaking of Lockington, I'm exploring those two new releases.
SIDDHARTH was pretty good, I thought. It doesn't have a main theme you might hum, but it has some nice textures and an overall atmosphere that I found pleasant. It's quite different than his standard action/adventure stuff, but I think I like it more than that stuff.
NP: I'LL FOLLOW YOU DOWN
There's some pretty piano in the opening track. Since then it's pretty pretty uneventful, but I'm only one track 6. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
I'm very interested to explore those two scores. Thanks for your brief reviews.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
Nick Glennie-Smith - We Were Soldiers
A largely overlooked post-The Thin Red Line war score done by a good friend of Hans (and still a conductor at RCP for numerous composer, he prefers that, sadly, to his own composing). More dramatic than combat-related, with a very nice elegiac theme. It's a nice score, even if its setpiece (Look Around You) is nothing more than a (very nice at that) version of Journey to the Line.
It's one of the first post-TTRL war scores and as it was to be expected, while it reuses ideas first created in that score, it doesn't have the metaphysical drive and aspects. It doesn't make it a bad score in any way, but the influence, even on MV composers, would be interesting to delve into.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorThomas Glorieux
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
Captain Future wrote
Swell review, Thomas! Insightful und great writing!
Volker
Thanks Volker
waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! Where's my nut? arrrghhhhhhh -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013 edited
christopher wrote
Speaking of Lockington...
SIDDHARTH was pretty good, I thought. It doesn't have a main theme you might hum, but it has some nice textures and an overall atmosphere that I found pleasant. It's quite different than his standard action/adventure stuff, but I think I like it more than that stuff.
I listened to SIDDHARTH, I agree that it's lovely, in fact it's totally delightful, but I am a sucker for Indian flavoured scores ( Asian flute and Sitar and I'm yours
)
...and I like this a lot more than his crash-bang-wallop scores.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
Steel Magnolias - Georges Delerue
Ah, I have this now. And am so glad I do. I have had a shit day, one of my worst, and this stunning music is just what I need.
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
Sorry to hear that. I hope your day goes from strength to strength from now.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
STEEL MAGNOLIAS (or any odd Delerue score) is a perfect antidote for bad days! Hope things are picking up for you, James!I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
You're right, Delerue is perfect for occasions like this.
So...
Man, Woman and Child - Delerue
Beautiful. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
I hope things get better for you soon, James.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
Thanks, guys. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
Mother of Mine - Tuomas Kantelinen
Not Delerue, but probably the closest anyone's come in recent times. -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
Southall wrote
Mother of Mine - Tuomas Kantelinen
Not Delerue, but probably the closest anyone's come in recent times.
Have you any Angel Illarramendi? He reminds me of Delerue.
Sorry about your shifty day James.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
FalkirkBairn wrote
Southall wrote
Mother of Mine - Tuomas Kantelinen
Not Delerue, but probably the closest anyone's come in recent times.
Have you any Angel Illarramendi? He reminds me of Delerue.
I haven't - anything you'd recommend in particular? -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
L'Africain - Delerue
A bit like The Black Stallion Returns at times. Which is a wonderful thing. Magnificent score! -
- CommentAuthorEdmund Meinerts
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013 edited
Timmer wrote
christopher wrote
Speaking of Lockington...
SIDDHARTH was pretty good, I thought. It doesn't have a main theme you might hum, but it has some nice textures and an overall atmosphere that I found pleasant. It's quite different than his standard action/adventure stuff, but I think I like it more than that stuff.
I listened to SIDDHARTH, I agree that it's lovely, in fact it's totally delightful, but I am a sucker for Indian flavoured scores ( Asian flute and Sitar and I'm yours )
...and I like this a lot more than his crash-bang-wallop scores.
I, on the other hand, love his action scores but I found both Siddarth and I'll Follow You Down to be quite dull. They have their moments but I'll Follow You Down in particular is really boring and repetitive.
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013
I just listened to I'LL FOLLOW YOU DOWN, I wasn't that keen on it beyond the melancholic pretty main title.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013 edited
Southall wrote
FalkirkBairn wrote
Southall wrote
Mother of Mine - Tuomas Kantelinen
Not Delerue, but probably the closest anyone's come in recent times.
Have you any Angel Illarramendi? He reminds me of Delerue.
I haven't - anything you'd recommend in particular?
I'd recommend these to start with - my own personal favourites:
Yoyes - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Yoyes/dp/B001TN … larramendi
Una Historia Reciente - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Una-Historia-Re … larramendi
Los Borgia
Tiempo de Tormenta - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tiempo-De-Torme … larramendi
El Celo - http://www.amazon.co.uk/El-Celo/dp/B002 … larramendi
Cuando Vuelvas A Mi Lado - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cuando-Vuelvas- … larramendi
180 Grados - http://www.amazon.co.uk/180-Grados-Band … larramendi
Baztan (which I am sure I heard via IFMCA) - but it is on iTunes
El Último Viaje de Robert Rylands - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ángel-Il … larramendi
There's a 2-CD compilation album too - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Illarramendi-19 … larramendi
But anything here is worth a listen - though I haven't explored his non-film music work at all.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorEdmund Meinerts
- CommentTimeSep 2nd 2013 edited
Erik Woods wrote
Edmund Meinerts wrote
I think Beck's score is quite underrated as well but this statement about Lockington's is just blatantly untrue.
Yeah, it is true. I suffered through 2 complete and excruciating listens of this score this week and most of the score is lazy string ostinati, uninteresting synths, low grumbling brass, with horns and strings playing the melodies most of the time. There's next to no trumpets, which would have been a most welcome orchestral colour to give this score some life. And the drums... oh boy. Lockington could have learn a thing or two from Joel Goldsmith and his score to Kull The Conqueror. Now, that's how you utilize a drum kit in a big fantasy score. Hell, that score was even orchestrated by Nicholas Dodd.
Lazy string ostinati? Lockington uses them a lot, sure, but they're certainly not "just" a lazy device in his hands. On the contrary I find them really exciting, especially when he has them running all over the scale as in 2:10 of "Thalia's Story" or 2:41 of "Colchis Bull" (a fantastic moment!). Definitely not lazy to my ears and much more interesting than your average RC ostinato usage. As for the drums and synths, I thought they seemed a bit forced at times (which might point to a bit of studio interference for a more "modern" sound), but generally I think Lockington handled them pretty well. Not as well as in Kull the Conqueror, true.
A good point about the trumpets though. As I recall there were a few notable trumpet bits in Journey 2 but they don't seem to figure much in this entry. Although, "Belly of the Beast", 1:10. Hah!
Erik Woods wrote
Edmund Meinerts wrote
And show me a single cue in Beck's score with anywhere near the creativity of "Wild Taxi Ride."
The one and only cue that shows any creativity whatsoever. I like it actually and if the rest of the score was this varied I would have enjoyed it more.
Glad we agree on something.
Erik Woods wrote
Edmund Meinerts wrote
Dislike Lockington all you like, Erik, but please don't accuse him of things he hasn't done.
I'm not accusing him of anything but my assessment of the Percy Jackson 2 score is pretty darn accurate. I would say this was a predictable score but I don't think I could have predicted that this one would be so bland. I mean, four themes (or motifs) and not one I could remember at the end of the albums playing time... Ok, maybe the one theme that sound like Beck's original for the first film but that's about it.
Then I guess we must just have different ears because I had no trouble recalling three of the score's themes by the end of the first listen...before that, even. I think it's a solid score, not a great one or a particularly distinctive one, but not deserving of the indifference that it's been getting. It's at least as good as Beck's IMO. -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeSep 3rd 2013
FalkirkBairn wrote
Southall wrote
FalkirkBairn wrote
Southall wrote
Mother of Mine - Tuomas Kantelinen
Not Delerue, but probably the closest anyone's come in recent times.
Have you any Angel Illarramendi? He reminds me of Delerue.
I haven't - anything you'd recommend in particular?
I'd recommend these to start with - my own personal favourites:
Yoyes - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Yoyes/dp/B001TN … larramendi
Una Historia Reciente - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Una-Historia-Re … larramendi
Los Borgia
Tiempo de Tormenta - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tiempo-De-Torme … larramendi
El Celo - http://www.amazon.co.uk/El-Celo/dp/B002 … larramendi
Cuando Vuelvas A Mi Lado - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cuando-Vuelvas- … larramendi
180 Grados - http://www.amazon.co.uk/180-Grados-Band … larramendi
Baztan (which I am sure I heard via IFMCA) - but it is on iTunes
El Último Viaje de Robert Rylands - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ángel-Il … larramendi
There's a 2-CD compilation album too - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Illarramendi-19 … larramendi
But anything here is worth a listen - though I haven't explored his non-film music work at all.
I second these choices. I especially love YOYES, UNA HISTORIA RECIENTE and LOS BORGIA. Like Delerue, Illaramendi doesn't do suspense very well (it kinda grates), but the melancholic themes are to die for!I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeSep 3rd 2013
Anyone heard Angel's concert works?On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeSep 3rd 2013
Timmer wrote
Anyone heard Angel's concert works?
I found his 7th Symphony on Spotify and am giving it a listen now.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt