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- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Scribe wrote
I think the way Zimmer captured the "Americana" naive hopeful heroic feeling without resorting to any of the expected Copland/Williams/etc tricks is absolutely brilliant and the mark of a true musical genius.
Hmm, he's a very decent artist when he's given the proper direction, but a true musical genius? That's rather akin to saying God is love - stretching the word until it has no meaning left. -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Scribe wrote
I think the way Zimmer captured the "Americana" naive hopeful heroic feeling without resorting to any of the expected Copland/Williams/etc tricks is absolutely brilliant and the mark of a true musical genius.
Tricks?
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- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Erik Woods wrote
Scribe wrote
I think the way Zimmer captured the "Americana" naive hopeful heroic feeling without resorting to any of the expected Copland/Williams/etc tricks is absolutely brilliant and the mark of a true musical genius.
Tricks?
-Erik-
I did not mean it in a derogatory way.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Steven wrote
Hmm, he's a very decent artist when he's given the proper direction, but a true musical genius? That's rather akin to saying God is love - stretching the word until it has no meaning left.
No, I really think he's the greatest musician of his generation from a creativity standpoint. Others like Horner, Howard, etc are excellent at coming up with new arrangements of old trustworthy musical ideas and devices, but only Zimmer continues to successfully push the envelope and create new, fresh, musical ideas (i.e. tricks) that are both cerebrally fascinating and emotionally satisfying.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
I'm sorry, everyone here knows that I am possibly the biggest Hans Zimmer fanboy on this forum since Jordi left, but I would seriously beg to differ. The last somehow innovative score he wrote was Inception. Here he is trying to find something new, but I'm afraid he hasn't achieved it with this score. While the narrative idea for the score is one of his best in recent years (it would be his best hadn't Inception existed), I am not very happy with how he handled the general idea of it.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
I hear a number of new musical ideas in this score as well as loads of progressions on old ideas, but I guess because I only have 1500 or so albums I must be an idiotic musical virgin who has no idea what he's listening to or talking about...
Maybe it should have had more kazoos.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
No, you just confuse your opinion with facts, and create odd straw men arguments if people happen to not agree.
Not very cool.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Actually, you have to reach 2000 albums before you can properly analyse music. (2 CD sets still count as 1 unfortunately.) -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Scribe wrote
Maybe it should have had more kazoos.
Apparently Marvel Studios is carefully weighing their musical response...'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Jordi left? -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
A long, LONG time ago!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Martijn wrote
No, you just confuse your opinion with facts, and create odd straw men arguments if people happen to not agree.
Not very cool.
Fine, since I don't feel like adding "in my opinion" after every single freaking sentence I write, I'll just shut the fuck up.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Argh, Matt, why are you so combative?
The POINT was that some people happen to not AGREE with your opinion (that Zimmer is the greatest musical genius etc.,etc.), which is quite fair and well warranted as long as it's done with at least a modicum of decorum and style...which it WAS!
Why you feel the need to fly screaming off the rails with really weird statements that would suggest anyone here looks on you as a "musical virgin" who needs to "shut the fuck up"is QUITE beyond me.
NO ONE is belittling you.
In fact, looking at the thread above, no one is even ARGUING with you.
Why would you fly off the handle like that?'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013 edited
Scribe wrote
Martijn wrote
No, you just confuse your opinion with facts, and create odd straw men arguments if people happen to not agree.
Not very cool.
Fine, since I don't feel like adding "in my opinion" after every single freaking sentence I write, I'll just shut the fuck up.
Ugh!
You don't see me flipping my lid when Steven disagrees with my personal selection of last great JNH score, do you? Sure, sometimes a conversation might get heated (Ralph, lp and a few others have witness my wrath )but no one is flinging personal insults or putting your opinions down. You have an opinion, which we ALL respect, while at the same time we all hope to your respect our opinions as well.
How is it that we are still having this conversation after all these years?!
-Erik-
skyfallhost and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Erik Woods wrote
How is it that we are still having this conversation after all these years?!
Because a good point bears repeating.
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James Hhhhhhhh...'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Martijn wrote
Good review, Thomas.
thanks Martijn, never have I seen 16 votes in just 3 hours. This score seems to be popularwaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! Where's my nut? arrrghhhhhhh -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Scribe wrote
"Bleak colorless action music"? What are you people listening to?
Tracks like "If You Love These People" are the very reason I got into film music in the first place, and I would think you Thomas of all people would understand that...but you seem to have drunk the kool-aid too...
well, I was very open minded. Mind you, I didn't listen to the clips at all, and I went to see the movie first, before listening to the music. I'm a big Zimmer fan, and he hasn't disappointed me much these past few years, but this is just no good.
still, what do I know? It has already a rating of nearly 4 stars after 3 hours.waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! Where's my nut? arrrghhhhhhh -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013 edited
The score hasn't quite grabbed me yet, but after a few more listen-throughs, it's starting to grow on me. In either case, I'm far, far away from the slaughter I've seen here and elsewhere (but here, in particular).I am extremely serious. -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
No! Pick up your pitchfork and join us! -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013 edited
Erik Woods wrote
Sure, sometimes a conversation might get heated (Ralph, lp and a few others have witness by wrath :whip: )
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HAH!
Speaking of action music. Skyfall has some terrible action music. It's like David Arnold's action cues, without any excitement.
The action cues in Man of Steel wasn't the best example of Zimmer's skill, but it is definitely the most thematic kind that he's ever done. The idea of actually surrounding the listener with drums by literally recording those percussions in a circle... love it.
There are some excellent textures in the score, it didn't sound derivative and it suited the movie. And you also get actual themes, motifs and melodies and live instrumental solos even. OKAY! GOOD! That's actually more than I expected.
I think that the rating should have been 3.5/4 stars, but hey, it's not my review. -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
lp wrote
Speaking of action music. Skyfall has some terrible action music. It's like David Arnold's action cues, without any excitement.
False!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Skyfall! Finally we're back on topic. -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Steven wrote
Skyfall! Finally we're back on topic.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pnZ6Q1wbJvs/U … large.jpegBach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Erik Woods wrote
lp wrote
Speaking of action music. Skyfall has some terrible action music. It's like David Arnold's action cues, without any excitement.
False!
-Erik-
You're false. -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
lp wrote
Erik Woods wrote
lp wrote
Speaking of action music. Skyfall has some terrible action music. It's like David Arnold's action cues, without any excitement.
False!
-Erik-
You're false.
That's not true.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Erik Woods wrote
lp wrote
Erik Woods wrote
lp wrote
Speaking of action music. Skyfall has some terrible action music. It's like David Arnold's action cues, without any excitement.
False!
-Erik-
You're false.
That's not true.
-Erik-
How very enlightening.Bach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013 edited
Captain Future wrote
Erik Woods wrote
lp wrote
Erik Woods wrote
lp wrote
Speaking of action music. Skyfall has some terrible action music. It's like David Arnold's action cues, without any excitement.
False!
-Erik-
You're false.
That's not true.
-Erik-
How very enlightening.
^ This is going to piss Steven off soooo much!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Qué? -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Awwww... you aren't playing the multiple quote game correctly?
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2013
Oh, I see.
Apparently my reputation around here is known to everyone but me...