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The Dark Knight - Hans Zimmer & James Newton Howard
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- CommentAuthorJoris
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
He is certainly a very important composer no doubt. Even if you don't like his work... But you can't listen to any modern soundtrack today and think of Zimmer's influence. Scores like 'The Rock' - although except the brilliant theme not so memorable on it's own - changed filmmusic scoring totally. And I think that is his foremost achievement.
Heil Hans
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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
He's fun and cool indeed, we had dinner with him as Soncinemad organizing committee of SONCINEMAD in Madrid, Spain in 2006 and you can safely say he's the spirit of the company.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
Joris wrote
He is certainly a very important composer no doubt. Even if you don't like his work... But you can't listen to any modern soundtrack today and think of Zimmer's influence. Scores like 'The Rock' - although except the brilliant theme not so memorable on it's own - changed filmmusic scoring totally. And I think that is his foremost achievement.
Heil Hans
Maximus Jojo
I know people who aren't too happy about that achievement
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
Christodoulides wrote
I know people who aren't too happy about that achievement
There sure are a lot of them!
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
DemonStar wrote
Christodoulides wrote
I know people who aren't too happy about that achievement
There sure are a lot of them!
Count me as one of them.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
Erik Woods wrote
Count me as one of them.
-Erik-
Really? You don't like Hans Zimmer? How come? -
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
Counted
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- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008 edited
lp wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Count me as one of them.
-Erik-
Really? You don't like Hans Zimmer? How come?
Why not ask that to someone who has a "Hans Zimmer Death Watch" posted on his website? 
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- CommentAuthorLSH
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
I have to admit, The Rock was one of the first scores I listened to and it probably had a big influence on my decision to begin collecting film scores. However, this opportunity opened up a world of much better music which I now greatly prefer to listen to. I don't listen to The Rock as much as I used to but it still remains a guilty pleasure.
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
DemonStar wrote
Counted
And there are many, many more...
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- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
Erik Woods wrote
DemonStar wrote
Counted
And there are many, many more...
-Erik-
Oh there are, believe me, and it's becoming something of a fashion to be labeled a "Zimmer hater"
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
DemonStar wrote
Erik Woods wrote
DemonStar wrote
Counted
And there are many, many more...
-Erik-
Oh there are, believe me, and it's becoming something of a fashion to be labeled a "Zimmer hater"
It's not a club. "Zimmer haters"have very valid reasons for not liking his junk!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
Erik Woods wrote
It's not a club. "Zimmer haters"have very valid reasons for not liking his junk!
Not all of them
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- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
DemonStar wrote
Erik Woods wrote
It's not a club. "Zimmer haters"have very valid reasons for not liking his junk!
Not all of them
You have to remember that most of the "hate" comes because of the way his working methods and his underlings have come to dominate virtually the whole of blockbuster Hollywood film scoring and not actually because of his own scores. -
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008 edited
Southall wrote
DemonStar wrote
Erik Woods wrote
It's not a club. "Zimmer haters"have very valid reasons for not liking his junk!
Not all of them
You have to remember that most of the "hate" comes because of the way his working methods and his underlings have come to dominate virtually the whole of blockbuster Hollywood film scoring and not actually because of his own scores.
True. Though I don't have a problem with that, I don't have anything against anyone who does. What gets me mad is when some people behave as though he's some personal foe who murdered their wives and children and needlessly abuse not only him but, in one chatroom I also saw a person hurling remarks at his family ( ) and I detest that. If they don't like the man's methods or music they can just leave him alone! I will call that "jealousy" and nothing more or less.
Shall we now get this thread back on topic?
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
Southall wrote
DemonStar wrote
Erik Woods wrote
It's not a club. "Zimmer haters"have very valid reasons for not liking his junk!
Not all of them
You have to remember that most of the "hate" comes because of the way his working methods and his underlings have come to dominate virtually the whole of blockbuster Hollywood film scoring and not actually because of his own scores.
That's one reason!
-Erik-
PS - I will have to repeat this... I do like some of his work... and there are a few Zimmer scores that I consider to be some of the all time best. But like James said his working method irritates me, the Zimmer sound that has come to dominate blockbuster films irritates me, his overall "sound" irritates me, his dumbing down of film music as a whole irritates me, etc, etc, etc.host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
Erik Woods wrote
I will have to repeat this... I do like some of his work... and there are a few Zimmer scores that I consider to be some of the all time best. But like James said his working method irritates me, the Zimmer sound that has come to dominate blockbuster films irritates me, his overall "sound" irritates me, his dumbing down of film music as a whole irritates me, etc, etc, etc.
Whatever... that's all our personal opinions. As long as there's no flaming etc I don't mind.
As far as TDK is concerned, I'm looking out more for JNH's stuff than Zimmer's stuff this time!
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008 edited
DemonStar wrote
What gets me mad is when some people behave as though he's some personal foe who murdered their wives and children and needlessly abuse not only him but, in one chatroom I also saw a person hurling remarks at his family ( ) and I detest that.
Well, Zimmer is murdering film music and since I consider my non-Zimmer CD's to be my children then I can see where that guy was coming from.
Kidding of course.... about the guys comments that is. Zimmer murdering film music is still valid.
Anyway... back on topic. Just how much is this new Batman score going to suck?!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
Shall we now get this thread back on topic?
In a moment!
DemonStar wrote
If they don't like the man's methods or music they can just leave him alone!
Isn't this the problem though - they can't. He's everywhere, more than half of all films releaed today that gross over $75m are scored by him or someone associated with him, almost always in a very similar style. There isn't an option to leave him alone. Obviously what you described is unacceptable, but I understand why he attracts as much attention as he does - there is simply no getting away from him, and it's as a result of him that standards in film music (in the eyes of the "haters") have become so low.
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- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
Erik Woods wrote
PS - I will have to repeat this... I do like some of his work... and there are a few Zimmer scores that I consider to be some of the all time best. But like James said his working method irritates me, the Zimmer sound that has come to dominate blockbuster films irritates me, his overall "sound" irritates me, his dumbing down of film music as a whole irritates me, etc, etc, etc.
The above was written by Erik Woods but could equally have been written by James Southall. -
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008 edited
Erik Woods wrote
Zimmer murdering film music is still valid.
As a final comment, I disagree...mostly. Agree... for some of the synth stuff. Period.
I don't think TDK will suck, in fact I feel it's gonna do a Kung Fu Panda again!
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
Southall wrote
Erik Woods wrote
PS - I will have to repeat this... I do like some of his work... and there are a few Zimmer scores that I consider to be some of the all time best. But like James said his working method irritates me, the Zimmer sound that has come to dominate blockbuster films irritates me, his overall "sound" irritates me, his dumbing down of film music as a whole irritates me, etc, etc, etc.
The above was written by Erik Woods but could equally have been written by James Southall.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
I'm deliberately abstaining from TDK clips so I can listen to it in a go later. Patience is not really in my blood but I've learned its result is sweet!
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
DemonStar wrote
I'm deliberately abstaining from TDK clips so I can listen to it in a go later. Patience is not really in my blood but I've learned its result is sweet!
You've heard Batman Begins, right? I'd say the sequel is much more of the same.... unless Zimmer pulls a At World's End on us or hands over the scoring reigns to Elfman or Goldenthal.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
Erik Woods wrote
DemonStar wrote
I'm deliberately abstaining from TDK clips so I can listen to it in a go later. Patience is not really in my blood but I've learned its result is sweet!
You've heard Batman Begins, right? I'd say the sequel is much more of the same.... unless Zimmer pulls a At World's End on us or hands over the scoring reigns to Elfman or Goldenthal.
I dunno if he will (I doubt), but I for one felt Batman Begins was perfect for the movie, and enjoyed the score a lot. Just my opinion, anyway. I guess we'll see what's it's like after we've listened to it.
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- CommentAuthorMarselus
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008 edited
Erik Woods wrote
You've heard Batman Begins, right? I'd say the sequel is much more of the same.... unless Zimmer pulls a At World's End on us or hands over the scoring reigns to Elfman or Goldenthal.
-Erik-
Elfman? Goldenthal? Now that would be boooooring! These two TOGETHER haven´t done anything special / interesting / original / decent in recent years (two of the most overrated composers ever).
Oh wait, there´s that action masterpiece from Goldenthal, SWAT Oh oh, wait, theres that other great action work by Elfman, The Kingdom!
It´s always funny to watch reactions from Zimmer haters; even funnier when nobody has listened the work they are bashing.Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you -
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008 edited
Marselus wrote
It´s always funny to watch reactions from Zimmer haters; even funnier when nobody has listened the work they are bashing.
LOL
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- CommentAuthorMatt C
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
When Superhero Hype! posted the audio clips for TDK soundtrack (which were subsequently removed by the WB), some of the posters remarked that some of the clips were reminscent of Shirley Walker's Batman: Mask of the Phantasm score or Elfman's first Batman score. I'm sure they needed to have their ears cleaned, though.
I haven't personally heard these clips, but I'd rather wait for the movie to hear the score in context (or wait for the LE score to arrive on my doorstep). The movie itself will rock, but I doubt the score itself will be as good.http://unsungfilmscores.blogspot.com/ -- My film/TV/game score review blog -
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
Matt C wrote
The movie itself will rock, but I doubt the score itself will be as good.
Everyone said that for Shore's LoTR before they heard it themselves...
I'm not comparing Shore's work to this in ANY WAY, but my humble point is that we cannot really tell before we hear the actual score ourselves.
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008 edited
Marselus wrote
Erik Woods wrote
You've heard Batman Begins, right? I'd say the sequel is much more of the same.... unless Zimmer pulls a At World's End on us or hands over the scoring reigns to Elfman or Goldenthal.
-Erik-
Elfman? Goldenthal? Now that would be boooooring! These two TOGETHER haven´t done anything special / interesting / original / decent in recent years.
Oh wait, there´s that action masterpiece from Goldenthal, SWAT Oh oh, wait, theres that other great action work by Elfman, The Kingdom!
So you are basing Elfman and Goldenthal's talent on their recent scores? How well... ignorant.
I was referring to their superior scores to the other Batman films. BTW, SWAT was pretty freaking good. It's a mean, nasty, ferocious score that went well above and beyond the crappy film. It's an enormous score filled with Goldenthal's trademark sound infused with a 1970's sensibility.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!