The Dark Knight

I haven´t seen it yet due to the late release date in Germany, but I know what you mean and based on the reviews I read I think you are right, but the main difference is that we already had a whole movie centered very much on Bruce Wayne, so we kind of know him by now. In Burton´s version, Keaton had next to no chance to connect to the audience because he certainly wasn´t the central character of the movie; I think Burton was too lovestruck by the crazyness of the Joker. It´s possible that I will say something similar about The Dark Knight later, but it´s still a sequel and not the origin story, so I´m much more fine by that.


It´s decades since I saw that movie, and on video only. I can´t remember any big cemestry or wonderful scenes, but that may be due to time. Actually, I think I remember a dance scene that was very nice, but that´s it.


As I said in my post above, I am not too fond of zany rides. What I hate is (or was) Burton´s inability to deal with normal characters. That was, until Big Fish, of course. That was a window into Burton´s soul, and for that, I respect him deeply.

I thought a long time about watching Ed Wood. Maybe I will, one day.

The atmosphere in Sleepy Hollow I like very much (whoa, I sound like Yoda now - must be the Clone Wars virus), but that´s due to personal reasons, because it reminds me of a roleplaying game I really adore. The characters, however, are as mad as always.

I agree that Burton´s approach is original, but I always thought it to be his style, the thing he does, the way he does things. Now that I know that he can do things differently, i don´t know what to think of it, but the originality of it has worn off for a long time now.

Regarding to Batman Returns, I doubt I will give it another chance. Maybe there is a great connection between Keaton and Pfeiffer, maybe there isn´t. In the end it wasn´t enough to keep me satisfied, and I think I prefer to claim it all on Burton.

That may be, but I still didn't like his portrayal of the character. The "mentor" aspect of it seemed, well, too contrived somehow? It should feel effortless, it should feel natural, but it didn't feel like any of that when I watched Liam Neeson in Batman Begins.

But Michael Caine as Alfred is a spot of casting genius!

Ya think?
Alfred.
Sir Michael.
I wish they'd taken just a bit of effort to try and make him look like the character he's portraying. And dearly though I love Sir Michael, the cockney accent shining through also is very annoying in the role.

I thought Michael Caine was brilliant. Ever since Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, which I adore, he´s the perfect old school gentleman, and him playing Alfred in BB was - for me - a natural choice.

And God, I loved him in Prestige, which is one of the very best movies ever.

Well, the kind of gentleman which tries to get your briefcase while he gets a hanger for your coat, of course...

Never mind. The people who were supposed to get the point, got it.
No point in flogging a dead bat.

No, but I surely will.
(Next weekend probably).

I'm sure it is, but that's not the point.
Making comparisons to Burton's films is about as poignant as comparing Burton's vision to 1966' TV's Batman. All three show a completely different vision, which each one being perfectly valid in its own context.

See? See http://www.maintitles.net/forum/discuss … t/#Item_14

Nolan is possibly Hollywood's brightest younger director the way i see it, currently. I am stunned.

Well, poo to yoo!

(I'm kidding, I'm kidding...)

I've not seen The Dark Knight yet, but it seems to me considering the general reaction to this new Batman film that making a next one would be a mistake. End on a high note I say.

That thought crossed my mind too last night. But i want to see another Batman from Nolan. And if he decides to take that step, i am really confident in him.

Btw question to anyone who's seen the film:

Have you actually HEARD "like a dog chasing cars" in the movie? I only heard the similar enough "Introduce a little anarchy" during the final good guys and batman versus clowns and hostages in the building through "mobile phone sonar" vision sequence but not the actual "like a dog chasing cars" track.

Thanks

Nolan got my attention with Batman Begins, and then The Prestige absolutely blew me away. I haven´t seen anything else, but I´m going to, definitely.

Martijn, your point about a new Batman version for each generation doesn´t give the fact justice that at the time where Burton´s Batman came out, a hard-ass serious version would have been possible if the right director would have jumped onto the project. That´s what I meant with my James Cameron / Ridley Scott comment. If one of them would have done it, we would have had a great version right there. There was no need for Burton´s freakshow.