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- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
FalkirkBairn wrote
Bregje wrote
That's why we are glad you are here with us, to share enthusiasm for the Morricone scores we do not know.
Awwww, thanks Bregje! I'm always happy to rant about Morricone.
Timmer wrote
I'd certainly like to think we'd see a lot less mentions of Zimmer and his ilk.
I'm sure there would be. That said, I'd still be one of the few though who'd like them. Zimmer and Powell would be among my fave composers, no matter how much music I were aware of.
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
Since John Powell found his own voice I tend not to think of him in the 'Zimmer and his ilk' way.
And there are certainly a few Zimmer scores I love and would not be without.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
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Interestingly I think this is pretty much the case. Especially here.
I can't seem to find it easily, but I think we had a discussion some years ago on the number of scores we own matched against the films we seen that contain these scores. Turned out that many (or most) here owned far more music from films they'd never seen than the other way around.
So I'd like to think that indeed most of the conversation is about the quality of the music (rather than its function in the film, or the popularity of the film).
Still happens of course (and I'm glad: it IS film music's primary goal after all, AND I think visuals and music certainly can have a mutually reactive relation, with one potentially enhancing or demeaning the other).
So, it's all good.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
Most scores I have from films I haven't seen are by composers who have scored films I have seen.
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Good point. I guess for most of us, we were drawn into film music by hearing a certain composer in a certain film, and then looking for more work from the composer, rather than searching out more films that composer may have scored.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
Steven wrote
Most scores I have from films I haven't seen are by composers who have scored films I have seen.
Is that right? Yeah, I think that's right.
I approve of this post.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011 edited
I was never drawn into soundtracks by films in any form or fashion. It was a gradual interest spawned by my interest in other forms of instrumental music. I had a suspicion that soundtracks could provide a similar 'concept album' feel, and indeed they did. Although, ironically, my first ever soundtrack -- a cassette copy of TWIN PEAKS in ca. 1991 -- was indeed related to the series, an effort to re-experience the MOOD of the show.
Parallell, but not related, to this was an interest in film as an artform and all the tools that go into it (cinematography, directing, acting, editing AND music).I am extremely serious. -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011 edited
I have just checked (I love my database! It makes these statistics so easy! )
Of the scores I own, I have only actually seen 24% of the films they were scored for!
33% of the scores I own are by composers I have never seen any film by that they worked on!
And that's increasing every year, so if anything I am moving away from the whole visual aspect more and more!'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
I was definitely drawn into soundtracks by films. I love film music because it's exactly that; film music. Music designed for images to propel a story along. Which is why I like proper themes and a clear narrative in the music. (But I also like scores as just 'music' as well, i.e. compilations or Brian Tyler scores.) -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
I don't have a database but a brief scan of my shelves suggest that I've seen around 90+% of the films scored by John's Barry & Williams.
Ennio Morricone on the other hand is a miniscule %, I'd loved to know Peter's percentage?On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011 edited
Martijn wrote
Interestingly I think this is pretty much the case. Especially here.
I can't seem to find it easily, but I think we had a discussion some years ago on the number of scores we own matched against the films we seen that contain these scores. Turned out that many (or most) here owned far more music from films they'd never seen than the other way around.
So I'd like to think that indeed most of the conversation is about the quality of the music (rather than its function in the film, or the popularity of the film).
Still happens of course (and I'm glad: it IS film music's primary goal after all, AND I think visuals and music certainly can have a mutually reactive relation, with one potentially enhancing or demeaning the other).
So, it's all good.
I think you're underestimating the promotional effects of movies. While I might never watch a particular Hollywood movie (for instance the latest X-men movie or Robin hood movie), I'm consistantly bombarded with opinions and rants about the scores, and I want to listen to them desperately. Then there's a 1968 russian score like Krasnaya palatka by Aleksandr Zatsepin. Practically no one has heard of it, and no one sees a reason to buy it. Is this because it's less known, or because the music isn't as good? Of course it's the former, because even if it was good, no one would ever realize this. The only reason I know about it because I like Morricone (as this was the russian score to the italian/russian movie La tenda rossa which in Italy was scored by Morricone), and this relates to Steven's point. I would never have discovered Morricone in the first place if he hadn't scored movies of some fame that made me aware of him.
I bet if quality was all that mattered, we'd be talking about czechoslovakian movies from the 1920s and chinese movies from the 1950s, just as much as we're currently talking about post-2010 Holllywood blockbusters.
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
There's only a small percent of us who talk about scores from before the 80's so I can never see that happening.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011 edited
But then the whole definition of quality is highly subjective.
And availability is another matter as well.
The problem is you don't know what you don't know: I don't have the time (or the inclination) to go scouring Bulgarian web sites for film scores I never heard of!
I will act on recommendation though: I got a LOT of Polish and Russian material simply through enthusiasts like yourself (Remember Debski? ) here on the board. Never seen the films. Never heard of the composers (before).
That's why increasingly my collection is moving away from "being married to" visuals, and I should definitely say it's a trend continuing on the board, with Alan and Tom being holding up the vanguard with their blogs!
But as it IS FILM music, and, for better or for worse, Hollywood is still predominant in the industry, it's unlikely we will move away from the big blockbusters entirely any time soon.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
Timmer wrote
I don't have a database but a brief scan of my shelves suggest that I've seen around 90+% of the films scored by John's Barry & Williams.
Ennio Morricone on the other hand is a miniscule %, I'd loved to know Peter's percentage?
Holy crap, I just counted, and I've only seen a bit over 7% of the movies that Ennio scored.
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- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
plindboe wrote
I sometimes wonder what boards like these would be like if popularity of scores and composers were completely unrelated to popularity of movies, and the quality of scores were the single dominant factor in determining their popularity. I wonder what composers we'd all be ranting about. No doubt guys like Williams would still be popular, since he's a bloody genius, but I think tons of composers currently considered obscure would be considered among the giants, and threads like these would be filled with titles in all kinds of strange languages, instead of being dominated by scores to English speaking movies.
Peter
Examples ?Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011 edited
Christodoulides wrote
Examples ?
I'm mostly a morriconian so some examples could be: I promessi sposi, La califfa, 122 Rue de Provence, La venexiana, Nostromo, Sepolta viva, Il cuore nel pozzo, Questa specie d'amore, Il clan dei siciliani, Il prato, La dame aux Camélias, Cosi' come sei, La tenda rossa, Le casse, I guardiani del cielo, L'eredità ferramonti, L'avventuriero, E per tetto un cielo di stelle. (Similar lists could no doubt be provided by tons of other composers, like Delerue, Kilar, Fabricius-Bjerre, Sahashi, Watanabe and even more obscure names)
I think any of these deserve more attention than for instance scores like the latest Robin hood or Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole got. Not that these two are bad scores, but in the grand scheme of things, they are just two average scores, getting tons of publicity because they happened to be attached to movies that got alot of publicity.
That said, I'm not claiming to be more knowledgable than the rest of you guys. I'm the victim of the same lack of information. We all need to be informed before we will spend money and energy on acquiring these items. We never get the information from the vast number of movies that have been made though, and we usually end up with a tiny spectrum of all the scores that have ever been made, and our collections end up reflecting a bias towards movies that got heavily promoted and of course released.
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- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
I do not think Morricone is obscure !Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011 edited
Christodoulides wrote
I do not think Morricone is obscure !
Depends on the score. There are ultra-obscure Morricone and ultra-famous Morricone scores.
In any case, it doesn't address my basic point, that there's tons of great music out there most of us have never heard of and will never hear of, so if popularity of movies truly didn't matter, our listening habits would be radically different.
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
He's not but the point Peter's making is that the majority of the films he's scored are.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
Surely major films offer more exposure to their composers. It is utterly natural and expected. It's up to everyone of us to look out for lesser known composers. It is not the movies, but rather the names of the composers themselves the problem, in my opinion. Most people will wet their pants for a new Powell score for instance but will never investhalf the time to listen once to a score by Arnau batallier for instance.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
Morricone? That overrated composer? :disgust:
(Don't get yer knickers in a twist. Inside joke between Peter and myself from the very earliest days of ol' Scorereviews )'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011 edited
I remember that discussion as if it happened yesterday.
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- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011 edited
Christodoulides wrote
Surely major films offer more exposure to their composers. It is utterly natural and expected.
Indeed, and that's the reason for my thought experiment. If we only listened for quality, with no influence from publicity, our listening habits would be radically different.
Christodoulides wrote
Most people will wet their pants for a new Powell score
Guilty as charged.
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- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
plindboe wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Surely major films offer more exposure to their composers. It is utterly natural and expected.
Indeed, and that's the reason for my thought experiment. If we only listened for quality, our listening habits would be radically different.
Christodoulides wrote
Most people will wet their pants for a new Powell score
Guilty as charged.
Peter
Who says most people listen film music according to the movies popularity ?Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
Well, it KINDA stands to reason, D. What with it being FILM music and that...
Let's not forget WE are the odd ones out for listening to it OUTSIDE of its context!'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
Christodoulides wrote
Who says most people listen film music according to the movies popularity ?
So if you've never heard of a score, you'll buy it anyway? Are you seriously suggesting that publicity has no say in the matter of what you buy? Are you omniscient?
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- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
Martijn wrote
Well, it KINDA stands to reason, D. What with it being FILM music and that...
Let's not forget WE are the odd ones out for listening to it OUTSIDE of its context!
As i said, i think film music fans listen to music according to the composers. Or composer - director's relationships.
Not the movie so much.
The rest of the people, I.e. non film music fans, do not really care for film music in the first place.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
plindboe wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Who says most people listen film music according to the movies popularity ?
So if you've never heard of a score, you'll buy it anyway? Are you seriously suggesting that publicity has no say in the matter of what you buy? Are you omniscient?
Peter
Who said this? Read my post above.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
Christodoulides wrote
As i said, i think film music fans listen to music according to the composers. Or composer - director's relationships.
Not the movie so much.
How did they become aware of the composer in the first place? Remote viewing?
Peter -
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
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