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Yes, Jordi, I do agree with Demetris that when it comes to overrating some composers, you are not an authority in showing that But I still like you

Damn after all this I´m anxious to hear AVP2! I can´t wait.
But before that, and speaking of Tyler, one of his best scores IMO:

NP Partition (Brian Tyler)

I can´t get enough of the main theme and its final rendition in the End Title.

Jordi,

I don't think there's a lack of thematic elements in Tyler's latest scores. Don't they have distinct motifs? 'Cause they're all over the place and i can perfectly hear them; yes, they aren't fully developed and extended themes in the more traditional sense but as far as standards for modern film scores FOR FILMS LIKES AVPR and WAR go (at times i think you're forgetting what kind of films we're talking about here) i think Tyler provided more than accomplished musical accompaniments, even more than what the afore mentioned deserved.

And i am not sure what you're saying exactly with "a sense of development" but development in music isn't only a nice hummable theme you can sing in the shower Development lies deeply within dissonant structures and intense, heavy writing as well, like the one showcased in AVPR in various pieces in the form of climaxes via denser arrangements and meters, increase of loudness and thickness in the writing among other techniques.

You might not like heavier, complex orchestral writing and you might enjoy things more simple, more easily- digestible and discriminable, served through clear-cut themes and simpler arrangements. That's perfectly fine too and everything in music has its time, place and value whatsoever and it's your right to listen to what you like the most; but to dismiss everyone else who DOES enjoy this kind of heavier orchestral music or stuff you don't appreciate and / or don't understand, as overrating composers or fanboy behaviors or anything in this vein, is purely egoistical.

I like your passion and energy, Jordi, and the way you freely express yourself. But at times, there are limits to stay within, imo, and that applies to all of us. I am not going serious with no reason here, at lease that's how i feel. I do that when i feel that my personal tastes and views are disrespected by unprovoked and not justified attitudes. I didn't tell you what to listen to or why you scream around about stuff you like the most, did I? When I do, openly and clearly, then i must grant you the right to call me a fanboy who overrates stuff and doesn't know what he's listening to my friend Until then, let me ROCK THE HELL out of my neighbors with stuff that fuels my passion.

Cheers!
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That´s the key point here. There are movies and there are movies. I don´t think Tyler´s approach was the same when he composed, for example, "Partition" (Jordi, with its themes, development, climax, etc) than when he did AVP2, which I´m sure was a gift, a toy to play and make the loudest action score of the year.

We are always talking about movie music, not a symphony, where the composer has total freedom (and plenty more time to write it ).

Exactly Marcel, great point there. We ALL so often neglect primal things and circumstances in film music which fundamentally discriminate it from other musical genres: the movies, the directors, the purpose of the score. We shouldn't.

Also :



It was. Tyler said it himself (can't remember where though) that doing an ALIENS and a RAMBO score was probably his greatest dream ever. And - at least in AVPR which we now hear, he perfectly showcased it; that's what i like the most and his passion is what i admire.

Ah; i am REALLY in the mood for the beer in the tables thingy! We SO have to organize an MT meeting soon! We've talked about it already with Bregt.......me wanna me wanna me wanna !!!

I also dislike X-Men 3, finding it a bit generic, JUST because he dropped his style a bit. But he would do an amazing job for AVP 2 if he got the right inspiration. I think many of composers working today would be capable of this energy had their been passionate for an idea of doing an Alien score. We always forget inspiration.

Agreed. But with Marselus too...

I did not see any battle; screw that, JOIN IN THE BEER TABLE

This year in Spain might hopefully find us all around a real one eventually! We'll see

That would rock! Yeah! Lots of beer and "battles"

Man you gotta ditch those things man, they screw your head mannn

Jordi, when you argue a return to symphonic suites and themes in the traditional sense, you will find me in your corner every time!

Just don't mess with D.!
(That's my prerogative )

No, it's just that noone is DOING it, because everyone is SOOOOOOOO into textures and SOOOOOO atonally mature. One of these days one young pup of a composer is gonna stand up and say "hey, wouldn't it be, like, kinda cool when people would actually remember what they heard and like, maybe, whistle or hum to it when they leave the theatre?"
And then all Hollywood will go agog onboard that bandwagon, and the whole thing will start anew.
You cannot supress beauty!

...waitaminit. You're just trying to get me going again, arentcha? :raisedeyebrow:

...I'm sorry, I didn't quite catch that?

Like TJ I really don't understand why people are saying Tyler doesn't have his own unique style/voice/sound/whatever you want to call it. I only have five of his scores and it was quite apparent to me by the third or fourth one that Tyler had his own sound and he stuck to it. And still does, unless AVP:R drastically disagrees with my expectations.