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JOHN WILLIAMS
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- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Southall wrote
(Especially given that he didn't do it with the Star Wars prequels.)
Yeah...and that really worked!
(Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the prequel scores. In fact, I think Revenge Of the Sith has hit exactly the right tone in everything, but I wouldn't call any of it "evolution".
I can't really see what's "evolved".
I can find a definite level of deconstruction, but I wouldn't qualify that necessarily as 'evolution'. Leave alone 'good'...
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Steven wrote
Some opinions are just wrong!
Which is why I clearly marked Tony's remarks as "fact"and "reality".'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
I like Minority Report (apart from the sheer amount of bass!).
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- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Mmm, I never listened to Minority Report, to be honest, but then I didn't like the film much.
What's it like?
Does it have a theme (and DON'T give me that "yeah, he repeats two notes somewhere so that's definitely a theme" crap. You KNOW I'm talking about something akin to a Leia's Theme, a Yoda's Theme or a Raiders March)'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008 edited
There's quite a nice ''theme'' (
) in the finale track, but the highlights are ''Everybody Runs'' and ''Anderton's Great Escape'', two awesome action tracks! 
Edit: ''Spyders'' is also pretty cool.
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- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Meh. <shrug> I've heard enough action tracks. I'm not getting yet another album just for that.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Martijn wrote
Southall wrote
(Especially given that he didn't do it with the Star Wars prequels.)
Yeah...and that really worked!
Indeed it did. Three fabulous scores, one of which (ROTS) is a contender for best score of the Star Wars series. -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
You realize congratulating me on my birthday actually made more sense?
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
I wish we got re-recordings of the old Indy scores. I know it's just a mixing problem (and I can blame Dan Wallin for the third one), but I just want to hear them played by a big orchestra! -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Anthony wrote
You
Yer in there Steven 
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008 edited
Steven wrote
Anthony wrote
I don't like any of those scores either.
What do you like!?
And Anthony...
Answer the ruddy question will you!?On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorAntineutrino
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Anthony wrote
I wish we got re-recordings of the old Indy scores. I know it's just a mixing problem (and I can blame Dan Wallin for the third one), but I just want to hear them played by a big orchestra!
I still hope the re-releases will have a better sound/mixing... is there an official confirmation for them?
Southall wrote
I love the modern Williams. Did anyone seriously expect him to suddenly ditch 20 years of his own musical evolution and go back to writing in a style he abandoned?
No, not really. But what I dislike a bit is that he re-uses a theme from ROTLA (from Map Room: Dawn) with obviously no connection to the new film (much like the music from ANH and ESB in Episode 3). -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Anthony wrote
I wish we got re-recordings of the old Indy scores. I know it's just a mixing problem (and I can blame Dan Wallin for the third one), but I just want to hear them played by a big orchestra!
The LSO in 'RAIDERS' not big enough for you? Mayhap you would like it beefed up with some fake Hans Zimmer style augmentation?On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008 edited
Timmer wrote
Steven wrote
Anthony wrote
I don't like any of those scores either.
What do you like!?
And Anthony...
Answer the ruddy question will you!?
I like a hell of a lot. Indy, Jurassic Park, Jaws, Minority Report, Star Wars, Hook...to name a few.
Timmer wrote
The LSO in 'RAIDERS' not big enough for you? Mayhap you would like it beefed up with some fake Hans Zimmer style augmentation?
Oh quiet, I can't stand Zimmer. But Raiders doesn't sound as BIG as other scores today.
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Anthony wrote
Timmer wrote
Steven wrote
Anthony wrote
I don't like any of those scores either.
What do you like!?
And Anthony...
Answer the ruddy question will you!?
I like a hell of a lot. Indy, Jurassic Park, Jaws, Minority Report, Star Wars, Hook...to name a few.
Timmer wrote
The LSO in 'RAIDERS' not big enough for you? Mayhap you would like it beefed up with some fake Hans Zimmer style augmentation?
Oh quiet, I can't stand Zimmer. But Raiders doesn't sound as BIG as other scores today.
That's either to do with the recording or that so many scores have unnecessary choirs all of which I blame on CARL ORFFOn Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Orff, Zimmer...it's ALWAYS the ruddy Germans!
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Martijn wrote
Orff, Zimmer...it's ALWAYS the ruddy Germans!
Innit!
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- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Anthony wrote
But Raiders doesn't sound as BIG as other scores today.
It does to me. A lot bigger, in fact. Last Crusade sounds a bit limp but the other two sound absolutely fine to my ears. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008 edited
Southall wrote
Martijn wrote
Southall wrote
(Especially given that he didn't do it with the Star Wars prequels.)
Yeah...and that really worked!
Indeed it did. Three fabulous scores, one of which (ROTS) is a contender for best score of the Star Wars series.
None... and I mean NONE of the prequel scores come close to the awesomeness of the original trilogy scores. The only one that "sounds" like it might rival any of the original trilogy scores is The Phantom Menace but that's it.
As for the Raiders recording... I think it's fabulous. And I don't know how much bigger you can get then the latter half of "The Desert Chase" or the brilliant "Miracle of the Ark." Eric Tomlinson's recording is spot on... and Lyle Burbridge went one step further with his magnificent recording of Temple of Doom. Now, a re-recording OR complete remix of Last Crusade would be fantastic. The problem that I have with Wallin is that his percussion recording is sooooo weak and he hard pans the strings to the left and right leaving the rest of the orchestra in the middle of the sound field. Most of his recordings are a muddy mess that manages to make a sizable orchestra sound like a small high school band.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Antineutrino wrote
No, not really. But what I dislike a bit is that he re-uses a theme from ROTLA (from Map Room: Dawn) with obviously no connection to the new film (much like the music from ANH and ESB in Episode 3).
How do you know... have you seen the film?
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Erik, what you said about the size of Raiders - it just had that ''old'' recording quality to it. That's great an all, and I respect the fact you like that, but I really want a re-recording with the full beefiness, bass and crisp quality of todays scores!
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008 edited
Anthony wrote
Erik, what you said about the size of Raiders - it just had that ''old'' recording quality to it. That's great an all, and I respect the fact you like that, but I really want a re-recording with the full beefiness, bass and crisp quality of todays scores!
I think the recording is even BETTER than most scores recorded today. BTW, what are you listening to your scores on?
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Erik Woods wrote
Anthony wrote
Erik, what you said about the size of Raiders - it just had that ''old'' recording quality to it. That's great an all, and I respect the fact you like that, but I really want a re-recording with the full beefiness, bass and crisp quality of todays scores!
I think the recording is even BETTER than most scores recorded today. BTW, what are you listening to your scores on?
-Erik-
Cotton wool obviously!
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- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
A beefy 7.1 system. It's configured fine, so don't get into that! Raiders sounds old! Temple has less of that sound, and Crusade has even less, but most pre-1994 stuff still has that old sound to it!
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Ditto Steven.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
I agree with Erik about the recording quality, but disagree about the Star Wars prequels. I'll take all three of them over Jedi, I think. -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Gaah, you all fail and hearing the old sound!! (but you all know what I mean, whether obvious or not)
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- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
I've no idea what you mean! This may be because I'm daft. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008
Then I'm daft too!On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeMay 8th 2008 edited
It. Sounds. Old.
It's like the difference between hearing a recording, and hearing something live, but bigger! Brass does not sound like what brass sounds like today! It's more ''screechy'', not as ''clear'', and it hurts the ears more when played fairly loud.
There's also less bass to it, and stuff doesn't sound as crisp. Take a listen to Desert Chase, and then listen to the opening titles of something like Horton Hears A Who. There's a big difference in crispness.