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Five years of emptiness

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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009
    Christodoulides wrote
    You mean Mikael? wink


    Mikael, sorry.
    I am extremely serious.
  2. Christodoulides wrote
    Bregt wrote
    Rather exaggerated I think. We've had fantastic scores even without him. Calling all this emptiness is rude towards the current and/or new generation.


    I agree. There are very, very bright young composers out there working their asses of although i am sure the point Mikael was trying to make was entirely different than how it came out, esp. for those who know him and his work. beer


    To me it's like this. Since he died my disinterest in new scores has only increased, by big or smalltime composers alike, I just don't like the new approach anymore to film scoring, with more texture-based and ambient-like composition and less emphasis on the use of great themes and memorable melodies. With Goldsmith you just knew you always got a theme, and most of the times highly memorable. But it's a pure personal feeling in that his passing left a void, that will never be filled.
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009 edited
    I can understand that feeling Gilles.

    Of the remaining greats, the last true giants of film composing, John Barry, John Williams, Ennio Morricone are all in their mid - late 70's and like it or not just won't have too many more years left of composing ( in the case of Barry it's been years since we've had anything new ), when these three have left our mortal coil my passion for film music will be lessened.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009
    DreamTheater wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    Bregt wrote
    Rather exaggerated I think. We've had fantastic scores even without him. Calling all this emptiness is rude towards the current and/or new generation.


    I agree. There are very, very bright young composers out there working their asses of although i am sure the point Mikael was trying to make was entirely different than how it came out, esp. for those who know him and his work. beer


    To me it's like this. Since he died my disinterest in new scores has only increased, by big or smalltime composers alike, I just don't like the new approach anymore to film scoring, with more texture-based and ambient-like composition and less emphasis on the use of great themes and memorable melodies. With Goldsmith you just knew you always got a theme, and most of the times highly memorable. But it's a pure personal feeling in that his passing left a void, that will never be filled.


    There are a gazillion melodic scores out there if you pay attention and know where to look.
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009
    Thor wrote
    DreamTheater wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    Bregt wrote
    Rather exaggerated I think. We've had fantastic scores even without him. Calling all this emptiness is rude towards the current and/or new generation.


    I agree. There are very, very bright young composers out there working their asses of although i am sure the point Mikael was trying to make was entirely different than how it came out, esp. for those who know him and his work. beer


    To me it's like this. Since he died my disinterest in new scores has only increased, by big or smalltime composers alike, I just don't like the new approach anymore to film scoring, with more texture-based and ambient-like composition and less emphasis on the use of great themes and memorable melodies. With Goldsmith you just knew you always got a theme, and most of the times highly memorable. But it's a pure personal feeling in that his passing left a void, that will never be filled.


    There are a gazillion melodic scores out there if you pay attention and know where to look.


    Indeed.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009 edited
    Timmer wrote
    I can understand that feeling Gilles.

    Of the remaining greats, the last true giants of film composing, John Barry, John Williams, Ennio Morricone are all in their mid - late 70's and like it or not just won't have too many more years left of composing ( in the case of Barry it's been years since we've had anything new ), when these three have left out mortal coil my passion for film music will be lessened.


    I don't think like that at all. Sure, it will be devastating when Williams - my favourite film composer of all time - finally hangs up his baton for good, but my interest in film music is not only based on what NEW stuff will be coming out and is not limited to a certain few composers (although my current buying pattern would suggest so). Pink Floyd or Supertramp don't play much more either, but I still get plenty of satisfaction from listening to their older music. And wonderful NEW surprises pop up regularly. In short, I have a lifetime of exploration ahead of me, regardless of which composers pass away in the interim (knock on wood).
    I am extremely serious.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009
    Actually my passion for film music fizzled out a long time ago, at least as regards my own perspective, I'm no where near the fan I was say 15-20 years ago partly because the big gigs go to composers I don't particularly care for, Elfman, Zimmer, or I run hot & cold on, Giacchino, Powell, or barely work, Goldenthal.

    My passion for music has never fizzled. There'll always be some new score I fall in love with though these seem to be fewer and far between and I can even still feel like a kid at times ( the recent Star Trek II release ), it's all relative, hell, I might even change my mind tomorrow.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009 edited
    I will always be a film score fan! Shocking to think that I've been into it for 35 years now! shocked I wonder how our many younger members here will feel about film music 30+ years from now?

    This will diminish when Tom appears wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009
    Has there been a new ST release?
    Kazoo
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009 edited
    ^
    You are very funny man Mr. Bregt
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  11. justin boggan wrote
    Anybody who says "Zimmer" in this thread, as an example, should be banned, castrated, flogged, and Tarred 'n' feathered.


    ZIMMER
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
  12. Oh and:


    Symphonette #2

    Thanks, Erik!
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009
    lol
  14. Why thank you, Ravi smile
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      CommentAuthorLSH
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009 edited
    Timmer wrote
    Actually my passion for film music fizzled out a long time ago, at least as regards my own perspective, I'm no where near the fan I was say 15-20 years ago partly because the big gigs go to composers I don't particularly care for, Elfman, Zimmer, or I run hot & cold on, Giacchino, Powell, or barely work, Goldenthal.

    My passion for music has never fizzled. There'll always be some new score I fall in love with though these seem to be fewer and far between and I can even still feel like a kid at times ( the recent Star Trek II release ), it's all relative, hell, I might even change my mind tomorrow.


    Although I'm much younger, I feel that my passion for it is waning already. A few years ago I went absolutely bonkers and really rushed into discovering old and new scores. I just wish I'd have taken my time and at least now I would still have loads to find. But I still love those discoveries - older scores I'd heard loads of fuss about but never bothered to track down. Don't get me wrong, I listen to scores all the time, however, in the last few years I've definitely found more enjoyment in other genres - rock, jazz, electronica, some classical, etc.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009
    Although the vast majority of my CD's are film scores I have always been, first and foremost a lover of MUSIC, it just so happens that a big part of that love is film music, but believe me, my love for jazz, rock & pop and classical is just as consuming.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  17. As am I, I have a wide interest in genres, so there will always be something cool worth checking out. But whenever someone passes on that made an incredible impact music-wise, it's just impossible to replace him with someone of an equal artistic level. At least in my head it is.

    It's like that with Goldsmith, it's like that with MJ (oops)... shame
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
  18. moviescore wrote
    Folks, I don't think there has been anything that has come close to Goldsmith's finest works in the past five years - so in terms of that kind of genius, this has been five years of emptiness...

    mc

    I keep hoping that Beltrami will in some way fill the void that Goldsmith's passing left. Sometimes there's hints that he will...someday.
    The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthormoviescore
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009
    Bregt wrote
    Rather exaggerated I think. We've had fantastic scores even without him. Calling all this emptiness is rude towards the current and/or new generation.


    Bregt, you know very well that I for one champion the music coming out of the new generation. What I said was that I don't believe any single score in the past five years has matched the genius of the BEST of Goldsmith's works. Five years has passed since he died, and forgive me if the feeling I have on that very day is of emptiness.

    Is that rude?

    mc

    PS / I'm not going to get into Angels and Demons. I am not going to do that. I am definitely not going to do that. / DS
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009
    smile

    When you explain it like that, I understand more what you want t say. I also don't see why it should always be as good as Goldsmith's best to enjoy new music. But yeah, I see why that is sad, though emptiness is not the word I'd use.

    But be sure, I miss music from these giants too.
    Kazoo
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009
    Timmer wrote
    Although the vast majority of my CD's are film scores I have always been, first and foremost a lover of MUSIC, it just so happens that a big part of that love is film music, but believe me, my love for jazz, rock & pop and classical is just as consuming.


    Same here. However, there are many OTHER reasons for why the "passion" may go down. Film composer deaths, however, are not part of it. People die, their music go on.
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorBhelPuri
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009
    moviescore wroteWhat I said was that I don't believe any single score in the past five years has matched the genius of the BEST of Goldsmith's works.


    Just to nitpick... what do you consider to be his best work/s? Alternatively, from which period? If it was anything before his last few scores then shouldn't you feel more years of emptiness because even JG's last bunch of scores were not his best?
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009
    BhelPuri wrote
    moviescore wroteWhat I said was that I don't believe any single score in the past five years has matched the genius of the BEST of Goldsmith's works.


    Just to nitpick... what do you consider to be his best work/s? Alternatively, from which period? If it was anything before his last few scores then shouldn't you feel more years of emptiness because even JG's last bunch of scores were not his best?


    Good point.

    -Erik-
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  24. BhelPuri wrote
    moviescore wroteWhat I said was that I don't believe any single score in the past five years has matched the genius of the BEST of Goldsmith's works.


    Just to nitpick... what do you consider to be his best work/s? Alternatively, from which period? If it was anything before his last few scores then shouldn't you feel more years of emptiness because even JG's last bunch of scores were not his best?


    Mulan, The Mummy, The 13th Warrior, all considered top notch IMO. Okay so after 2000 it wasn't as good, but I'm sure he still had it in him to write some amazing material, if only he was given the chance. sad
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
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      CommentAuthormoviescore
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009
    Erik Woods wrote
    BhelPuri wrote
    moviescore wroteWhat I said was that I don't believe any single score in the past five years has matched the genius of the BEST of Goldsmith's works.


    Just to nitpick... what do you consider to be his best work/s? Alternatively, from which period? If it was anything before his last few scores then shouldn't you feel more years of emptiness because even JG's last bunch of scores were not his best?


    Good point.

    -Erik-


    Yes, that's a good point actually. My favourite JG scores are Total Recall, Planet of the Apes, Lionheart, Legend... Of his last scores, I really enjoyed The Haunting and Timeline, but I wouldn't say they were even among his top 20.

    Man, now I'm sad. All the emptiness I've felt for the past 20 years!!! tongue

    mc
  26. lol

    I really liked Timeline, but my favorite score from his final 4 years of scoring (can't call it a decade sad ) was actually The Sum of All Fears. I actually enjoy ST: Nemesis a lot, too.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2009
    DreamTheater wrote
    As am I, I have a wide interest in genres, so there will always be something cool worth checking out. But whenever someone passes on that made an incredible impact music-wise, it's just impossible to replace him with someone of an equal artistic level. At least in my head it is.

    It's like that with Goldsmith, it's like that with MJ (oops)... shame


    I know what you mean; but i'd be nice if people tried to generally give in LESS into nostalgia and more into new opportunities to the youngsters; and who knows? maybe the next Jerry Goldsmith or even MJ is being born as we speak or arising out there right now.

    World moves in forward motion.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  28. That's a nice uplifting comment Demetris, it's just I tend to live a bit too much in the past. It's a personal issue and not a common view upon things, I agree. One thing I noticed is, as I'm getting older, I'm getting more and more 'difficult' to accept certain changes in the world we live in, to the point I regularly freak out...

    But yeah, you're right about the world going forward, never backward. So should I. smile
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
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      CommentAuthorSunil
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2009
    PawelStroinski wrote
    justin boggan wrote
    Anybody who says "Zimmer" in this thread, as an example, should be banned, castrated, flogged, and Tarred 'n' feathered.


    ZIMMER


    BRAVO! lol biggrin
    Racism, Prejudices and discrimination exists everywhere.
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      CommentAuthorSunil
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2009
    Christodoulides wrote
    You're talking about Sunil's post above?


    Dear Christodoulides and others,

    You all miss one important that i have mentioned in the above post. I would like to make it clear again. My point is making comparisons between two composers won't do any good or bring any great stuff over here. As an individual, you may dislike certain composers, but when it comes to generally, you are bound to respect others' opinion. In this case, if you guys dislike Zimmer's works, then fine, but according to me, he is a very talented composer just like Jerry Goldsmith. Don't mistake me, i am not comparing, all i am saying is that Zimmer possess certain good qualities, for which we all should respect him. I am a huge fan of Maestro John Williams. But i don't listen to his scores alone. I do listen others' works also. I have passion and love towards film scores. Filmscores made my life beautiful.

    Have a nice day!
    Racism, Prejudices and discrimination exists everywhere.

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