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Five years of emptiness

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      CommentAuthoromaha
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2009 edited
    Sunil wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    You're talking about Sunil's post above?


    Dear Christodoulides and others,

    You all miss one important that i have mentioned in the above post. I would like to make it clear again. My point is making comparisons between two composers won't do any good or bring any great stuff over here. As an individual, you may dislike certain composers, but when it comes to generally, you are bound to respect others' opinion. In this case, if you guys dislike Zimmer's works, then fine, but according to me, he is a very talented composer just like Jerry Goldsmith. Don't mistake me, i am not comparing, all i am saying is that Zimmer possess certain good qualities, for which we all should respect him. I am a huge fan of Maestro John Williams. But i don't listen to his scores alone. I do listen others' works also. I have passion and love towards film scores. Filmscores made my life beautiful.

    Have a nice day!


    There are those of us that dislike his lack of musical quality. Music isn't completely subjective. There is a point where you look at the mastery behind it. That's like comparing a Da Vinci or Michelangelo to splatter painting. Yes, a bit exaggerated there...
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2009
    Comparing Beethoven and Stravinsky is impossible. Both are excellent
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorSunil
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2009
    sdtom wrote
    Comparing Beethoven and Stravinsky is impossible. Both are excellent


    That's my point. Comparing two geniuses is like comparing me and you. biggrin
    Racism, Prejudices and discrimination exists everywhere.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2009
    Actually, some good points there, Sunil beer
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2009
    sdtom wrote
    Comparing Beethoven and Stravinsky is impossible. Both are excellent


    True!

    I would compare Zimmer with Stock, Aitken & Waterman.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2009
    There's been the occasional crossing of paths, actually.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2009
    Of that I am well aware Jedi.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2009
    Well, I wasn't!

    I can't keep readily abreast of all the information in the Universe. I'm way too busy playing with my light sabre most days.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
  9. For what it's worth, I think Hans Zimmer is an incredibly talented composer, and he has provided me with some astounding works that I consider at the very highest level of quality writing: The Prince of Egypt, Backdraft, Regarding Henry, Crimson Tide, The Lion King, Gladiator. These are all wonderful in my book. I just don't think his later work is of the same high level of standard as when he was still trying to make a name for himself.
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
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      CommentAuthorSunil
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009
    There you are. applause biggrin
    Racism, Prejudices and discrimination exists everywhere.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009
    I believe his recent work is AS good as the ones you posted, just different times-evolved style; the cinema itself is changing day by day (evidently) and Zimmer is one of the first to quickly and adequately adapt; to expect something sounding like Backdraft in our days (both musically and also cinematically speaking) is a bit out of place, imo.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  12. Why is that out of place, good music remains good music, there's no reason something such as Backdraft wouldn't work in this day and age.

    But composers evolve and so does their writing style, we've seen it happen to all of them. The point is, do we evolve as well or just stand still and enjoy the music from the past? I fear I'm in that second department... sad
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009
    DreamTheater wrote
    Why is that out of place, good music remains good music, there's no reason something such as Backdraft wouldn't work in this day and age.


    Right on!

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009
    BACKDRAFT's sound is SO 90's. Can you imagine that in a film, today?

    Now, if it was re-worked and up-to-date, then that's a wholly different matter.

    Every classic / influential work remains a hit and a perfectly valuable work no argument about it, but when you consider topics as this, you also have to take into account the circumstances, the surroundings and the musical / social data of each era and time each piece / song was written in. Every musician and composer is undeniably influenced by both his personal status and his surrounding data when creating a work, you can't isolate those factors as destructively as this.

    The world goes on, so does music and every other form of art; to dismiss something 'cause it doesn't sound like the past out of pure nostalgia, is dangerously walking on the limits of ignorance, imo smile
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009 edited
    Christodoulides wrote
    BACKDRAFT's sound is SO 90's. Can you imagine that in a film, today?


    Well, Zimmer went back in time when he composed his score to Angels and Demons and no one seemed to care. Backdraft is bloody brilliant and still sounds like something Zimmer could accomplish today.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009
    I didn't argue about the score's quality; an enhanced Backdraft could easily be heard today, as it is i can't really take much of it these days, same goes for all 90's Zimmer stuff, but that of course is a personal view; as for Angels and Demons, don't tell me it isn't obvious to you that it doesn't exactly sound like his old stuff? It might use the same spirit and techniques at places, but certainly the sound is up-to-date, both technically and also stylistically.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009
    D goes on about nostalgia but todays music is just a re-hash of yesterdays music and anything that's tries for originality is just bland.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009 edited
    Is there - ever, any form of art that doesn't look back to its roots? This is completely NATURAL!

    Believe me my friend, i too am one of those people who has realized the change of times *which is evident EVERYWHERE and not just within film music* and i too feel the diminishing of the quality, in general terms; but i always try to find the good in the new; you just have to try harder.

    Now, banging about how everything isn't as good as ye old days and dismissing something 'cause of the date-tag, that's what i am talking about.

    The same attitude is everywhere to be found, really, it's not something limited to film music; as years go by, an art passes from generation to generation, those attitudes are always to be found but they're as ignorant as youngsters disrespecting the past and not taking the bother to actually research it, imo.

    It's like the "true metal" vs "posers" battle, my God. rolleyes
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009 edited
    Personally I feel the 90's is the period where Hans delivered his best material - Lion King, Prince Of Egypt, Backdraft and Thin Red Line are among his best scores of all time. But he's certainly good at changing his style according to the requirement of more modern themed films too - the Batman films and Angels & Demons are good examples. And he does it good too without it feeling stale, even though there are significant similarities to his previous works.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009
    Christodoulides wrote
    as for Angels and Demons, don't tell me it isn't obvious to you that it doesn't exactly sound like his old stuff? It might use the same spirit and techniques at places, but certainly the sound is up-to-date, both technically and also stylistically.


    Sure, there are tracks that I guess have that modern Zimmer sound (IMHO, Zimmer has been stuck in the 90's with his out of date collection of synths) but the action material is almost straight out of his 90's action music catalogue.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009
    Erik Woods wrote
    (IMHO, Zimmer has been stuck in the 90's with his out of date collection of synths)
    -Erik-


    That has some truth in it indeed biggrin
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009
    Christodoulides wrote
    Is there - ever, any form of art that doesn't look back to its roots? This is completely NATURAL!

    Believe me my friend, i too am one of those people who has realized the change of times *which is evident EVERYWHERE and not just within film music* and i too feel the diminishing of the quality, in general terms; but i always try to find the good in the new; you just have to try harder.

    Now, banging about how everything isn't as good as ye old days and dismissing something 'cause of the date-tag, that's what i am talking about.

    The same attitude is everywhere to be found, really, it's not something limited to film music; as years go by, an art passes from generation to generation, those attitudes are always to be found but they're as ignorant as youngsters disrespecting the past and not taking the bother to actually research it, imo.

    It's like the "true metal" vs "posers" battle, my God. rolleyes


    I want a 'fishing rod with a carrot dangling at the end' icon biggrin
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009 edited
    p.s. I do actually and mostly agree with you on this point D. beer wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009 edited
    Timmer wrote
    I want a 'fishing rod with a carrot dangling at the end' icon biggrin


    DAMNed!
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  25. Christodoulides wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    (IMHO, Zimmer has been stuck in the 90's with his out of date collection of synths)
    -Erik-


    That has some truth in it indeed biggrin


    Except Black Hawk Down, Tears of the Sun, Dark Knight and, I think, Angels and Demons (which is stuck in the 80s biggrin )
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009
    At least the bat-wings SFX aren't from the 90's Zimmer scores. wink
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009
    What started out as 5 year memorial thread about Goldsmith ends up in a discussion about Zimmer.
    listen to more classical music!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009
    Such is life on MT wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009
    Timmer wrote
    Such is life on MT wink


    You said it. MT has an incurable case of ADD.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009
    If I wanted to be mean I could say that 5 years of emptiness = Zimmer = apt. devil wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt

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